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Reply #45 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 11:02am
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A sad barrel story.  My Dad was a state veterinarian in the northern foothills  of the Sierras.  He visited all the livestock owners to check their animals etc., this was in the early 50s.  He liked old guns and if he saw something interesting he would offer to buy it and often did.  He kept them in the garage in two large wooden barrels.  They looked like pipes sticking out.

We moved about that time and he went ahead and left my stepmother to get the garage cleared out.  She hired a local guy to haul the junk in the garage to the dump, yes the barrels went too.

Dad returned a few days later and a frantic trip to the dump ensued but no luck recovering the guns, likely they never made it to the dump.

I’ve often wondered what treasures were in those barrels.  I suspect many of them were rusty from sitting in the barn for years but will never know.

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Reply #46 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 1:47pm
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Guys, the sky is not falling.
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Reply #47 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 3:09pm
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Vall,

Amazingly I found two great deals at retail stores.  While not collectables, they were good deals.   The first was a BSA MKIII with a new looking 20x Super Targetspot scope.  I was looking for a .22 to compete with and another scope so even though it was a lefty I paid the $1200 for it.  As it was being rung up the owner brought out a Unertl tube sight that came with it  I eventually sold all but the scope and got all my money back.  The second was at the Lacey Cabelas.  They had a High Wall with a no name .22 bbl with a perfect bore and a single set trigger.  It sported a 6x Unertl small game scope.  They were asking $700 for the pair.  I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough.  They guy even said he was selling me a $700 scope and throwing in  a rifle.  The HW was an early model without Winchester on the action so with a rebarrel there was no Winchester name.  They did the ATF paperwork listing it as unknown manufacturer, unknown model even they listed it as a high wall on the sales slip.  


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Reply #48 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 3:13pm
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Rebel wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Guys, the sky is not falling.
Aaron

It maybe starting.  I got an ad for a modern sporting rifle sale yesterday.  There were dozens of models and only one, an M14, that even looked like a sporting rifle.  Everything else was an AR.  If that is the current market, single shots will not be recognized as even being a firearm in another 10 years.   Undecided
  

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Reply #49 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 3:41pm
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rgchristensen wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
     
     Looks like the thing to do is to buy guns that you really LIKE, and forget about business aspects.
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As a novice single action shooter that is EXACTLY my philosophy. I only buy what I will enjoy shooting, and have no desire to worry about what the future will bring. It won't change anything.

I collect alot of militaria and military arms (and go to alot of shows and chat with dealers), and both those areas have seen tremendous "price adjustments" for all but the top 5% of items.

At gun shows, both large and small, I see German Schützen rifles (for example) sit on tables. It is a buyer's market and I don't see many selling, and when they do it is rarely to anyone under 50. Same applies for Civil War arms, etc.

In fact, the same can be said for many hobbies.
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Reply #50 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 4:45pm
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Well, I don't see anyone here giving their rifles away just yet.
This isn't the limited small gunstore market where you can buy a good Highwall for $500 or less.
Take a look at what STS's are selling for on Ebay.
Are CPA's, with no historical significance, sitting in barrels?
Anyone want to sell me a Pope for $1500?
Literature and accessories for next to free?

Aaron
not kidding about the Pope if you're really that worried.
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Reply #51 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 4:54pm
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"If that is the current market, single shots will not be recognized as even being a firearm in another 10 years."    

And your point is?  We wouldn't have any regulations to contend with because they only go bang once without stopping to reload? Grin
  

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Reply #52 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 5:51pm
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GT wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
"If that is the current market, single shots will not be recognized as even being a firearm in another 10 years."    

And your point is?  We wouldn't have any regulations to contend with because they only go bang once without stopping to reload? Grin

Unless they decide to re-brand them all as an Assault Single Shot Rifle (following in the footsteps of current WA State Initiative 1639).    Wink

Actually, the young un's are saving time and money... if they want to go out and enjoy some shooting, all they have to do is buy a new gun (or currently produced used gun) off the shelf, buy any current accessory sighting equipment off the shelf, and buy their new loaded ammo off the shelf during re-occurring sales and with bulk discounts.
Using the KISS method, they're quickly up and shooting.

And the young un's don't have to bother with the multitude of single shot related issues that are discussed on the forum.    Grin
  

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Reply #53 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 6:07pm
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GT wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
"If that is the current market, single shots will not be recognized as even being a firearm in another 10 years."    

And your point is?  We wouldn't have any regulations to contend with because they only go bang once without stopping to reload? Grin


The point is very few if anyone will even consider singler shot to be rifles in another decade.  They don't even want wood stocks now. 

Rebel, Nobody wants to sell you a Pope for $1500 now, but our kids will be happy to get it  Huh

  

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Reply #54 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 7:02pm
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Bob,
if you read the thread, your kids will use it for  a shovel or door stop.
Sky is still up there, and no one has offered a Pope yet.
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Reply #55 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 10:00pm
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Aaron,

You just reminded me of a gunshop that used a bunch of old rifle barrels for rebar in the poured cement foundation.    Wink
Hadn't thought about that place for the longest time.
  

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Reply #56 - Nov 4th, 2018 at 10:49pm
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bpjack wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 3:09pm:
Vall,

Amazingly I found two great deals at retail stores.  While not collectables, they were good deals.   

Jack


Jack, mine was highly collectible, but not a single shot. It was an 1881 Marlin lever action built by Emil Flues of Bay City, Mi. and done in schuetzen style. 
I eventually contacted his nephew, who wrote Flues' biography for the Double Gun Journal and he told me who my 1881 was built for, and how to locate Flues' serial number on the gun. 
When I sold most of my Marlin repeaters to invest more in Ballard rifles, it was one of the few repeaters I hung onto, and still have. It is also the only repeater Fues ever built. His other guns were either schuetzen single shots, or fine double shotguns.
  

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Reply #57 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 2:50pm
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Here I am trying to get the last cent back on a rifle but accept a loss of thirty grand on my seven year old car.
  
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Reply #58 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 5:01pm
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I belong to a couple of collecting groups with interests in antique arms. At 38yo I am minimum 20 years younger than the youngest member and 30+ years younger than the mean. There is a tiny handful (like 4 or 5) of sub 50yo people out there with the interest and means to collect antique arms. I see it happen all the time where guys who would never let anything out of their collection die. The families typically have no interest and the collection goes to a pawn shop, local gun shop or "friends" spirit it away. On more than a couple occasions the guns got thrown away/destroyed because the heirs were antigun. Some may argue the lack of interest is a cyclical thing but I think that we are at the top of what will be a Progressive  downhill slide. If you cant bare to sell your guns before you die then make arrangements with an auction house to handle your collection before you croak. Moving a collection of any size is a huge amount of work and it is the rare friend that can/will take on the task. All the little stuff- false muzzles, dies, sights, scopes etc are going to be broken up from the guns and go to the dump or be sold for pennies on the dollar.  When Mike Petrov died  im sure it took Joe Dobrowski hundreds of hours and many many months to move the collection for the family. It is the rare collector that has someone like Joe to take care of things. At this point I would never buy 99% of  antique guns as an investment. Maybe very historical pieces or one of a kinds- texas ranger attributed walker colts etc etc. Not what a lot of people want to hear but what I see.
  
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Reply #59 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 10:08pm
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Still looking for that $1500 Pope.

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