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Re: LYMAN SCOPE MOUNT
Reply #30 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 4:10pm
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Thanks John

Any thoughts on using something other than steel?
Delrin maybe.  Brass?

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Re: LYMAN SCOPE MOUNT
Reply #31 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 4:52pm
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bpjack wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
Thanks John

Any thoughts on using something other than steel?
Delrin maybe.  Brass?

Jack

Jack,

Back when Parson's was making the Long Scope, and the Super Targetspot repro, black delrin was used for both the micrometer knob buttons and the opposing plungers in the  4-point and 3-point mounts.



Frank and Wayne,

The Centennial Journal by Lyman is a good source of info about this. Strobel's later scope book duplicates a lot of the Lyman Centennial info.
Way too much to type here, but some highlights are...

5A and 438:
Lyman 5A scope first sold in Feb, 1929
Lyman 438 scope first appeared in Lyman catalog No. 18 published in 1930
Originally scope bases and mounts were interchangeable for the 5A and 438 scopes
Early rear mount had the plunger opposing the horizontal micrometer knob, and the "grasshopper" spring opposing the vertical.
The 4-point rear mount (shown in Frank's photo) with the bottom plunger opposing the vertical micrometer knob, first shown in catalog No. 21, had taken place by 1932.
Early clicks were 1/2 minute, by 1933 the rear mount had 1/4 minute clicks (using the 7.2" base spacing). This mount was discontinued by 1938, when a new 3-point mount was developed.

Targetspot, Jr, and Super:
Targetspot introduced in Lyman catalog No. 22 published in 1934, using a 4-point mount with 1/4 minute clicks.
Jr and Super introduced in Lyman catalog No. 25 published in 1937, using the new 3-point mount with 1/4 minute clicks.
Some people preferred the earlier 4-point to the newer 3-point, so the earlier 4-point wasn't discontinued until 1949.
Note that Lyman wrote that the 4-point mount that was used with the 5A and 438 was discontinued in 1938, 11 years before the 4-point mount used with the Targetspot series was discontinued.
There's been a lot of mount (and mount parts) swapping going on from scope to scope since then.  Wink
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Reply #32 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 5:09pm
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Jack the problem with Delrin is it would shortly wear in a radius groove making precise adjustments a real nightmare if not entirely impossible. I have a friend who uses a 2 inch Unertl and he finally had to face off his steel contact points from just some long term minor grooving forming from wear. Prior too adjustments became a real hit and a miss proposition and is now back to being very precise. There needs to be a completely flat surface bearing on the tube as it moves up, down and from side to side and it should also not have the least amount of play / slop or flex in it as well. With that being said you might want to choose a material that will provide you with best long term wear surface.

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Reply #33 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 5:12pm
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Thanks BP.  Just ordered 5 pieces 1/4” by 12” off eBay for under $8 shipped.  Nothing like a lifetime supply!

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Reply #34 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 5:54pm
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Jack I don't believe a 1/4 inch in diameter is going to keep it from riding down the side of the diameter of the tube itself and especially so if it is not well centered in the mount. And I might add it could also end up being close to the edge of the contract point of which would create more rapid wear at that point. Not at all trying to say your approach might be wrong just wanted to share a bit more of the bigger picture that at times I have a tendency to over look. The diameter of the button should be at least the same size as the plunger that is pushing on the tube. I believe the one on my Unertl to be at a minimum of 300 thousandths without having to take it apart my mic won't quite fit in into the space so it could be a bit larger in diameter. I hope this made some sense to you and was somehow helpful. 

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Reply #35 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 6:10pm
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bpjack wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Thanks BP.  Just ordered 5 pieces 1/4” by 12” off eBay for under $8 shipped.  Nothing like a lifetime supply!

Jack


     I have come to realize that a "lifetime supply" is not as big a deal as it used to be.

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Reply #36 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 6:37pm
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Amen Chris I once bought a 1000lbs. of pure sheet lead at a real good price and at the time I figured it would last me until I was about 74 years of age. Ended up going out and shooting alot more for both practice and experimentation and I came up about 12 years short. Hard to believe I have used that much and also hard to believe I have already gone through 64lbs. of 300MP since it first came out and about 96% of both just being used in my 32-40 CPA Scheutzen Jr. and there goes my thoughts of having a lifetime supply of either and I still have another 7 years to go to get to 74.

Sorry for getting a bit off track with the topic and I do wish Jack the very best and could wish him to be closer so I could be of allot more help to him and his project.
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Reply #37 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 6:56pm
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(bad) weather permitting, I hope to make some steel inserts this weekend (or I will be dealing with a ton of maple leaves). Then I will try the Delrin when it shows up.  Have some other plans for that Delrin anyway.

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Reply #38 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 8:33pm
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Jack just approach it as you feel would be the right and easiest way for you with what you have to work with and it should turn out just fine. If you recognize any unwanted issues when done or possibly not happy with the results it is easy enough for you  to redo. I used 12L14 due to it's ease of machining, very minimal machining marks and ease of polishing. But unfortunately it is also not generally found locally or in one's home town. I also wish you the very best with the entire project and not just the work you are doing with the mounts themself.

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Reply #39 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 8:34pm
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JLouis wrote on Oct 30th, 2018 at 5:54pm:
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my mic won't quite fit in into the space ... 

JLouis

John,

Aren't your mounts already micrometer mounts with the appropriate graduations across the designed vertical and horizontal adjustment ranges?
  

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Reply #40 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 10:42pm
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The delrin rods came in today.  I have some 12L13 coming in a week.  I made up some delrin tips for the Fecker mount today.   

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Reply #41 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm
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Turned out nice but I think you would be better served by not having the radius and please do not take that wrong.
  

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Reply #42 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 11:25pm
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The apparent radius is just a slightly rounded edge. I hit the sharp corner with a file while in the lathe after facing it off flat.

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Reply #43 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 11:54am
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BP the Mount on the one I repared is shown in Reply #29.

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Reply #44 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 11:58am
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I think the picture just made the entire surface appear to be radiused Jack and nice Job.   

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