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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1266 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	latest Ballard aquisition Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	Got this for the action. The action is in the 14xxx range, the 45-70 barrel is in the 33xxx range, slugs at .461 . Any way to tell what model it may have started life as? Haven't had it apart to clean yet. Wood is well abused. looks to have been blued over some minor pits

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7245 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #1 - Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	It looks like a Pacific to me. Frank

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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #2 - Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	Nice gun, cool tang sight too. If only they could talk. Aaron

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #3 - Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 9:54pm	Print Post
	Congrats. Oughtsix ! And thanks for sharing.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #4 - Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 10:33pm	Print Post
	Pacific with the optional graduated peep tang sight.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #5 - Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	Rebel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 6:43pm: Nice gun, cool tang sight too. Ballard's "Gallery Peep Sight," intended principally for the #3 model. Useable, but not correct, for a Pacific. This one is the rare tall-staff variant.


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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1266 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #6 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 8:53am	Print Post
	No numbers on stocks, the butt stock was epoxy bedded into the action. Had a heck of a time getting it off. Butt plate mismatched #. Mechanically sound. will post some questions in Gunsmithing once I get a few photos taken of the triggers. Thanks for the info.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #7 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 10:34am	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 10:37pm: Rebel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2018 at 6:43pm: Nice gun, cool tang sight too. Ballard's "Gallery Peep Sight," intended principally for the #3 model. Useable, but not correct, for a Pacific. This one is the rare tall-staff variant. No way to know if any particular sight came from Marlin with that gun. But a buyer could order whatever style sight he wanted, so the Graduated Peep shown could be original to this Pacific. But being the tall version would make it more likely for centerfire larger cartridge gun. "Graduated Peep Sight" is the terminology Marlin used for this sight in their catalog.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #8 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 10:34am: "Graduated Peep Sight" is the terminology Marlin used for this sight in their catalog. Companies changed their terminologies from time to time, but in the 1885 catalog, it was called a "Gallery." (Presumably because it was originally intended for the #3 or Gallery model.) Giving the sight a number would have avoided confusion.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #9 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 3:51pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 1:32pm: marlinguy wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 10:34am: "Graduated Peep Sight" is the terminology Marlin used for this sight in their catalog. Companies changed their terminologies from time to time, but in the 1885 catalog, it was called a "Gallery." (Presumably because it was originally intended for the #3 or Gallery model.) Giving the sight a number would have avoided confusion. Until they decided to change the assigned numbers, as Winchester did with some of their sights.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #10 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	Pretty sure the "Gallery" terminology was only used on the short version, and not throughout production. Both Dutcher's book, and Brophy's book call them both "Marlin's Gallery Peep Sight" in the short version, and "Graduated Peep Sight" for taller versions. Also referred to in Marlin catalogs as "Peep Sight for Sporting Rifles". The later version of the Graduated Peep with the thick base were referred to as the "Improved Graduated Peep". But regardless of it's name, it would be appropriate for someone to order it in the tall version for a Pacific.

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rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2018 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	Since no numbers match on this rifle its a parts gun. Possibly a #5 Pacific possibly a #4. Look on the front of the receiver after taking off the forearm and if there are 2 pins sticking out chances are good its a Pacific. Don


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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1266 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #12 - Oct 26^th, 2018 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	it does have the pins , Thanks

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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1594 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #13 - Oct 26^th, 2018 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Oct 26^th, 2018 at 5:51pm: Going to restore it as a Pacific? Joe. I'm sure he will; or face the consequences.

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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1266 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	Re: latest Ballard aquisition Reply #14 - Oct 26^th, 2018 at 9:05pm	Print Post


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