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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Oct 20^th, 2018 at 8:17am	Print Post
	Last weekend I bought the photo below. The photo itself measures approx. 19" tall and 13" wide. The patriotic frame adds a few inches. The photo is an old vintage photo. I would guess 1900 to 1910 by how the gentleman is dressed. The rifle is modified. The buttstock and wide forend are custom. I can't identify the palm rest. The scope has a flared ocular end and uses Stevens rings. I don't see any iron sights on the action or barrel (could be a custom barrel). This should be an easy rifle to identify today if it is still in this configuration. Any guess as to the custom gunmaker? ... or shooter? Thank you ... Joe


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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #1 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 8:21am	Print Post
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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #2 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Great photo. 44-1/2 action. I think what you called a "flared" ocular is something like a long piece of rubber tubing attached to serve as an eye shade; so probably an ordinary Stevens scope. And would you look at the width of that tree trunk! (Or is it a studio prop?)


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1183 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #3 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 11:28am	Print Post
	Nice find Joe, thank you for posting so we all can see it. A small detail but I noticed a screw in the side of the action. I have seen that on other 44 1/2 actions that were factory chambered for .22RF. Any comments from our Stevens experts?

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #4 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	Yes, that certainly looks like the screw used on 44 1/2 actions to enable the use of a "kicking" ejector.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #5 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	Looks like a Pope style palm rest, and lever. Maybe it's a Pope rifle? Never seen a scope with the large bell on the ocular end? I see the end looks shiny like it's polished metal, so either it's not rubber or the rubber is pretty shiny. Really neat picture!!

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #6 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 12:54pm	Print Post
	What a find! Although it's not the style of chapeau he favored, his clothing, face, beard, apparent age (mid- to late-40s), and the stunt of holding the rifle rock-steady by just the palm rest all make me wonder if the sitter isn't Harry Pope his own self. In any case, the photo's size and format strongly suggest that it was meant to have pride-of-place in somebody's parlor. Bill Lawrence
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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1183 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #7 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 1:23pm	Print Post
	Bill Interesting question as to Joe's photo being Harry Pope. Here is a photo of Pope taken about 1900. People can look at both and draw their own conclusion.

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1905 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #8 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	That is not a large tree trunk by California standards. You can drive thru the trees there. Redwoods that is! Pretty darn big for an eastern hardwood though.

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1905 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #9 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	I also noticed the nice balance point!

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3537 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #10 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	Which was more difficult; holding a rifle steady at balance point, or keeping a straight face while doing so? Them old photos took some time to shoot, ya know. Pretty nice photo you have there Joe.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #11 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 5:24pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2018 at 3:30pm: Them old photos took some time to shoot, ya know. Actually, by the time this Stevens was in production, film with a speed fast enough for snap-shots was available, though it required sunlight or good lighting. Even something moving slowly could be "caught" with a minimum of blurring. This kind of film made Kodak's Brownie series possible, & the first of those were available in 1900.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3537 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #12 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 5:53pm	Print Post
	Don't be so damn literal, Red. Can't you see when something is just said for the conversational value it presents? Try this...... Go get yer wife, friend, neighbor (or whoever), and a rifle. Now, with even faster film, try to balance the rifle long enough to get a picture that doesn't look like a wreck getting started. I await your photo................................


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #13 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	I've seen only a couple pictures of Pope in his earlier years, so can't comment on if the picture might be Pope. But considering the apparent age of the person in the picture, and if it indeed dates to the early 1900's, then I'd say it would certainly be from before Pope's departure from Stevens. I doubt he'd be caught posing with a Stevens rifle after the way things went at Stevens. Pope was 40 in 1901, and left Stevens around 1904 I believe? His contract was longer, but he was paid for the entire contract, and then left. Soon after he headed to San Francisco where he lost everything in the earthquake and fire.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Stevens Schuetzen w Palm Rest and Swiss Buttplate Reply #14 - Oct 20^th, 2018 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	First, it's a 44-1/2 action, so the photo dates at least to 1903, and maybe even later, depending on when the "kicking extractor" was introduced. Second, the rifle seems simply but elegantly customized beyond anything that would've come out of the Stevens shop. Third, my impression has always been that it was the 44 action that Harry despised; indeed, didn't he at least have a hand in developing the 44-1/2? In any case, to say it again, this is one of the few period "guy with gun" photos I'd love to hang on my wall. Bill Lawrence


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