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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1826 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #15 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Mike, Contact Bruce Moulds-he is in the member list for ASSRA. He is in Australia and has also worked with dual diameter bullets for gg chambers. Regards beltfed/arnie


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blackpowder Junior Member Offline Posts: 87 Location: Blooming Valley PA Joined: Jul 20^th, 2018	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #16 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	Mick B, what are you doing for lube?


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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1007 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #17 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:42pm	Print Post
	Blackpowder. I'm using SPG and have been for the last 6 years. When I tried PP bullets in my 45/90 I made up some grease cookies with a mixture of SPG and oil to make the SPG softer. As mentioned before, my results with PP, in the 45/90, did not give me a measurable improvement in accuracy at the short distances I was shooting ie 100 and 200 m. I have just sent off an email to BACo to see if they are prepared to ship their swaged PP bullets to Australia but I don't hold much hope of that happening. Mike.


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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1734 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #18 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 9:32am	Print Post
	Mick, For best accuracy, grease cookies are best left out, no lubricant at all usually produces best accuracy. You will need to wipe between shots, of course. Wet and dry


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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1007 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #19 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 9:08pm	Print Post
	I did try grease cookies in the 45/90, and also without them, at the distances I was shooting there didn't seem to be much difference either way. My theory was that by using a grease wad it would help reduce the abrasive effect of the paper patch on the bore and possible make the fouling easier to wipe out between shots. Couldn't tell much difference there either. I know that PP bullets got a bit of a bad reputation in the old days for wearing barrels. No doubt that part of this reputation was caused by the softer barrel steel used then, and the fact that many barrels had shallow rifling designed for PP projectiles. I think I read somewhere that Harry Pope said that 5000 rounds of PP projectiles would see off the "gilt edged" accuracy of one of his barrels, but you couldn't live long enough to do it using GG bullets. With BP, cleaning your barrel between shots probably causes more barrel wear than shooting greasers. Anyway BACO have informed me that they do not ship their swaged PP bullets overseas so that idea has gone south as well. Time for Plan B, whatever that might be. Mike.


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blackpowder Junior Member Offline Posts: 87 Location: Blooming Valley PA Joined: Jul 20^th, 2018	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #20 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	is it legal for an individual to send them? or are there laws against it?


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Ranch13 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 636 Location: East Central Wy. Joined: Jan 20^th, 2018	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #21 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	You can't ship anything like that out of the country without an export permit. Micks best bet is going to be get a mould or two and go to casting and wrapping.


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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1007 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #22 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 9:13am	Print Post
	Ranch 13 Personally I have no idea as to what government restrictions are in place in the US regarding the posting of things like lead bullets. Some time ago when I needed 40/60 Maynard cases I was informed by BACo that they were unable to send them out of the country, so I got them sent to a friend in Texas who then posted them on. He told me that his local post office was OK with that, rightly or wrongly I got the impression that commercial operations such as BACo need an export permit, but not private individuals. The cases were accurately described on the customs declaration, so no attempt at concealment was made, perhaps the postal staff were not paying attention, nor were Customs here as they turned up in my letter box a fortnight later. I had this urge to take the parcel straight to the nearest Australian Customs office and check if they had missed it accidentally, but I managed to resist the urge to do that. Mike.


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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2153 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #23 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 11:01am	Print Post
	The following link will give you some idea of what's required to ship bullets from the USA to Australia. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Wayne

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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1007 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #24 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	Wayne As a retired customs officer of more than thirty years experience I'm fully conversant with Australia's import requirements but know little about you export rules. I have in the past imported 5 rifles from the US which required an export permit and also a copy of my Australian import permit. Any consignment coming in with a value over A$1000 also requires an Entry for Home Consumption and is subject to a goods and service tax of 10% levied on the value of the goods, including the freight charges. Gotta hand it to the government, they sure don't miss you. Of course if you don't know how to do the import paperwork you will then require the services of a customs agent as well, more costs. One option previously suggested was to buy a couple of moulds and go from there. At a landed cost of about A$200 each that is a pretty expensive way to test the theory of whether PP bullets are more accurate than greasers, looks like I'm doomed to failure with this project. Mike.


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1826 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #25 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 7:26pm	Print Post
	Mike, I do sympathize with the A$200 for a mold landed. FWIW, a Steve Brooks mold costs about $200 "landed" here in the US. Have you looked into Canadian made mold costs? Just now can't think of the Canadian mold maker. K---. beltfed/arnie


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Ranch13 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 636 Location: East Central Wy. Joined: Jan 20^th, 2018	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #26 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	Buffalo Arms, and the link TexasMac provided both say to add 200$ for export costs.. You can buy a mould just for the export cost on bullets or brass. Try KAL moulds he operates out of Canada, and maybe Canada has different export rules, altho I do know Canadian shooters who come down and shoot with us, can't take brass,bullets,primers or powder back across the border with them. I do know a couple of Australian shooters that use BACO and Brooks moulds , so there may be different export rules for moulds, than there are for brass and bullets.


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GrumpyBear Full Member Offline Posts: 139 Location: Western,Pa. Joined: Sep 30^th, 2017	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #27 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	Probably a dumb question on my part, but are there no mold makers /machinists in Australia who could make you a mold at a lesser cost? If they had the drawings of what you wanted ?

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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1826 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #28 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 10:44pm	Print Post
	Mike, The Canadian mould maker is KAL molds. Maybe they could cut a mold for you, and hopefully cheaper for you. beltfed/arnie


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Ranch13 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 636 Location: East Central Wy. Joined: Jan 20^th, 2018	Re: Paper patching a .40 cal Reply #29 - Sep 28^th, 2018 at 12:47am	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Scroll down to the bottom of the page , he offers the 40 in a pretty good range of diameters. I also know that you can get him to cut a flat base plug in addition to his standard cup base. He makes pretty good moulds, and his handles are super good.


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