desert-dude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 10:50am:


Apparently you did miss something. You haven't been paying close enough attention to certain discussions on this board, otherwise you'd know the answer: where widely accepted beliefs are concerned, the ones that make their way into well respected books, "seeking the truth," or seeking the original sources for what's commonly regarded as the truth, is not encouraged. 

desert-dude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 10:50am:



Seeking the truth is a good thing, but maybe tougher sometimes than others. Sometimes you have to add up the preponderance of evidence and make an educated guess based on all of it. Most would say that's a pretty good method, while some may never believe a fair amount evidence unless it is all 100% documented. 
In the case of an unmarked barrel, I'm not sure there will ever be enough evidence to confirm a Schoyen barreled gun? He put no other mark on his guns or barrels, so unlike a Pope barrel you can't look under  the forearm for special markings. I would still look under the forearm of such a barrel, but wouldn't get my hopes up.
It's a bit easier to determine if a Schoyen barreled gun was just fitted with his barrel, or all the work was done at Schoyen's shop. I see far more single shots with Schoyen barrels than I see complete guns with his barrel, Simmons stocks (Schoyen's in house stock maker), and other Schoyen features. Schoyen and Simmons work was so distinctive in it's style, that it's very easy to tell when they didn't do the whole gun vs. just the barrel.
Two of my three are simply Schoyen barreled guns, vs. complete Schoyen rifles.

When anything is of value it is often times also faked. I have heard of a fellow putting Winchester Roll Stamps on new barrels and then claiming them to be originals in pristine condition. When the barrel maker found out he refused to sell anymore blanks to him.

Something that I brought up earlier, that no one addressed, is what I assume is a set screw mark.

Since Peterson took over from Schoyen, did both Schoyen and Peterson use this, in their barrel making?

My mark is 5 5/8 ahead of the action face or 6 1/8 from the breech.

What is the story, regarding this mark on either Peterson or Schoyen barrels?

Frank

Vall,
Thank you for checking that.

I would sure like to know, exactly what, on the rifling or boring machine made thoughs marks.

I would assume (we all know what that means) that they only show up on re-rifled barrels, because on a new one, it would/should be draw filed off.

Did you happen to measure the distance from the breech, that your mark appears?

Again, thanks,

Frank

My only guess, regarding the mark, is that, since it is a heavy mark, that it was what they used to secure the barrel, in the rifling machine.

My was diffidently re-bored, as it has the Stevens markings and still marked 32/40.

I was a little skeptical about it's Provence, when I first got it. It diffidently has the Schoyen/Peterson rifling but when I measured the twist, at 15, I thought that it might have been a more modern re-bore, as I knew the standard 38 twist is 18. Now that I know that the standard Schoyen/Peterson twist is 15, I'm more assured.

Frank

Vall,
My barrel has no markings, just the rifling style and "mark" is all that it has. When I bought it, it was said that was a indicator of a Peterson barrel. Schoyen wasn't mentioned. There are no other markings or Provence, at all on my barrel. It's a good looking #4 barrel, inside and out and I had a 44 1/2 action to put it on. It timed up right but, took a lot more torque that a original barrel would so, I'm sure it was set back, one thread to do that. 

At this point, the best I can say about it, is that it is a Schoyen/Peterson type barrel, not of new manufacture.

The reason I'm saying that rebores would more likely have the mark, is because a new barrel, would be rifled, before finishing the outside.

I'll take a look at the rifling machine, when I get off the computer.

Frank

Agree looks, feels and smells right is really just hopeful thinking. I currently have an unmarked barrel that meets the same criteria sitting in my safe but it would be a stretch to attach a makers name to it and to then sell it as such. 

JLouis