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Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:39pm
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Sometimes the gun gods smile on us!

This afternoon, I visited one of our two "local" gunshops.  The owners are into "blacks" and survival and law enforcement stuff generally, with a few older pocket autos and much older top breaks and solid frames that are not Smiths or Colts to fill the cases.  I took my usual polite but quick circuit, only to stop walking and nearly breathing when the outline of a tang sight caught my eye. The shop had bought it locally four days ago, pulled a price out of the air that was just a little more than I'd have expected to pay for the tang sight, and out flew my credit card.

What it was you will hopefully be able to see below, courtesy of a friend's phone-camera and another forum member's picture posting expertise.  It may take a bit for Frank to get the posting done, so please be patient.

The important statistics are: Serial # 957.  A 28" heavyish barrel that tapers from octagon to round, the round portion tapering from 7/8" to 3/4".  As the pros are so fond of saying, the bore will hopefully "clean better".  The shop was told  the chambering is .32-40, but that can't be right.  It is a centerfire .32, the case as best I can currently measure about 0.323" at its base and 1-3/16" long (until I can do a cast, my wild-ass guess is a .32 Ex. Long CF, which was a Wurfflein catalog option).  Last but not least, no marks on the metal, no rust or pits, no corrosion around the firing pin, no buggered screws (indeed, most have never been turned), all the wood finish, nickel only lightly freckled overal, all the blue a pleasing, even blue-brown mix. and the barrel locks into the action with no side play and just a hair of vertical.

Now, to start off, several questions for any Wurfflein People out there.  First, going by the only Wurfflein catalog online, this a # 10 Sporting and Gallery Rifle with an extra long, not fully octagonal barrel and fancy wood; a # 20 Mid Range Target Rifle with a Gallery Peep Sight instead of a Graduated Peep Sight; or what say you?  Second, the 3/8" front and rear sight slots need to be filled.  What would be appropriate and at least reasonably possible to find?

That's it for now.  I hope you enjoy my find and I also hope you'll add comments and questions.

Bill Lawrence
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:50pm
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BILL:
     I've always coveted a Wurfflein.   I have my eye on one, but he won't part with it.   Great find!

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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm
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The rear barrel sights are a fixed ( we call Garfied because they look like his ears ).
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:17pm
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Second, the 3/8" front and rear sight slots need to be filled.  What would be appropriate and at least reasonably possible to find?

Bill, the Beach foresight was factory installed on Wurffleins.  MVA has nice ones.  The rear barrel sight was a simple v cut sight that tilted towards the action.  Issue: have seen none for sale
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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:26pm
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pic of rear sight
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:33pm
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The rear barrel sight was a simple v cut sight that tilted towards the action.  Issue: have seen none for sale

Thanks, John Boy and Rebel.  Haven't I seen rear sights like those on Hawkens and other styles of plains rifles?

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Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:17pm
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Sure looks like a custom made sight to me.
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:35pm
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Bill's Pictures.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:39pm
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For Tom T Smiley
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 12:10pm
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A plethora of pictures, thanks to Frank and Tom, whoever that second nice man is.

So far I note several differences between my Wurfflein and those of John Boy and Rebel.  First, the "tail" of my trigger guard does not appear to be cut off.  Is that, like the position of Rebel's rear sight, just a factor of these rifles all being largely hand-made?  Or is it what was done when the stock was pistol-gripped?

More importantly, my gun and Rebels have small screws on both sides of the frame, just behind and slightly above the hinge screw; John Boy's gun doesn't seem to have them.  On my gun, they're too frozen for me to risk messing with; plus their only apparent purpose seems to be to take up any eventual barrel-frame side-to-side wear.  Any other ideas or knowledge?

Last for now, my skimpy research suggests that Wurfflein used his patented action in several different sizes to make rifles, pistols, pocket rifles, and shotguns.  Did each type have it's own serial number range?  Is there even a rough idea as to how many rifles were made?

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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:47pm
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Bill, serial number range - no definitive production dates that I know of.  But here are some pictures of a 3 barrel set and the serial number is 5200 ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

I have 2 Wurffleins:
* The Ladies Model 22LR that is same rifle pictured in Grant's book - serial 5270 
* A 38-55 with a serial number of 1126
Trigger guards - looks as though there were 2 different types and as to which models or when they became different = Unknown
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 3:15pm
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Thanks, John Boy, for the heads-up on the three-barrel set.  Since the set has both centerfire and rimfire barrels, I do wish the photographer had shown the breech end of the frame; something like the Wesson two-position firing pin perhaps?

Also, for what little it's worth, the action on the three-barrel set has yet a third style of trigger guard.  Perhaps they simply got them from different suppliers?

In any case, a total production of at least 5200+ of the same model, many largely customized and all precisely fitted, over at most roughly 25 years seems quite impressive to me for an establishment usually characterized as a "shop" rather than a "factory".

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Reply #13 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:27pm
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Bill, the Wurffleins were regional rifles primarily central US and of course known in the Philadelphia. As many Stevens & Ballard collectors and Wurffleins are unknown to them. The break open action is a clone of the Wesson-Henry and I am convinced H&R used the Wurfflein as the clone for their break open.
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Reply #14 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:50pm
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William's rifles are charming items and I really enjoy mine in 32-35 Steven/Maynard. If yours turns out to be a 32 Long, you might look at the Oct. 2010 issue of SSE for an article about loading and shooting the little 32s. I'd also be very interested in the chamber and bore dimensions to see what his take was on proper 32 Long (or Extra Long, if it turns out to be that) chamber and bore sizes. Different manufacturers used varying dimensions for both and wear, of course, makes our job difficult, as well, if we want to shoot the older guns. By swaging brass to the dimensions of your chambering and casting and sizing to your bore, you can get some nice performance (usually) from even old worn guns, as long as pressures are kept reasonable. Have fun!
  
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