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Sep 12th, 2018 at 4:43pm
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Does anyone here use or have access to systems like Pressure Trace II systems?  I'm debating between it or Quickload - really leaning towards the process that gives actual data, not a program that gives mathematical algorithms.
Thoughts?
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Reply #1 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:02pm
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what  you must be off your rocker  Grin Grin
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 11:00pm
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knobsmt: not much info in your post...do you like or dislike or are you seeking information?  I'm a miserable mind reader. 

I have a system: still sitting in a box. I'm not a Windoze user and they provide no information on the communications for the system. 

If I were a bit younger I'd build a Y cable and write a ISR to sniff the cable. Too old and to busy just doing the simple stuff to tackle that. Or just try Xon-Xoff. However, I have too many alligators snapping at my ankles. 

An email to the vendor didn't even get a reply. 

Before you go charging off like a wild hare check out this paper. 

The Use of Multiple Technology Measurements to Diagnose Weapon Chamber Pressure
Measurement Anomalies in Piezo-Electric Pressure Transducers
W. Scott Walton
Ballistic Technology Officer
US Army Aberdeen Test Center
Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD 21005 

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Reply #3 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 11:57pm
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knobsmt wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
what  you must be off your rocker  Grin Grin


So, share with us, your expertise in the topic at hand.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 12:04am
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desert dude,

does this help ?

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Reply #5 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:42am
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First off, I saw Knobsmt at a shoot this weekend and discussed it a little with him.  Nobody had responded to my post and I picked on him for being a creeper on the forum for such a long time and not even having a post - maybe he ought to - looks like he budged  Grin - if only he wouldn't spend so much time with his cows - he's very capable of producing some valuable information to many on this forum.  Thanks!

DD,
A few years ago - seems like anyway, maybe a few decades now,  I did considerable research on chamber pressures with piezo-electric transducers, never got back to it following school.  The methods prior to using this current, simple strain gage were fairly involved and deterred my interest.   
I see a little more time available on the horizon now, and with my son recently out of engineering I have considerable help working though the math and the computing (most of this doesn't even exist but in the dusty corners of my memory).
 
A firm I worked for in the not to distant past used similar strain gages as a means of measuring and comparing pressures in certain applications with considerable success.  The literature this outfit promotes has a few features I'm not aware of and since this is the forum I enjoy the most - I started a post here.
AND since my interest lies mostly in the vintage firearms most of us here are fascinated with, this will help put my mind at ease loading and shooting them.
Craigster, 
Thanks for sharing the link, I hesitate to attach links and literature even though they simplify the research for many, I assume that if someone is interested enough they'll chase it down by asking Sir Google. 
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Reply #6 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:53am
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Unless you're heading into hypervelocity-loads territory, Quickload is all you need.   Lots easier to use, too.   Been using it steadily for several years now.  Could wish that the powders database covered the newest offerings.  Only faulty data I've found so far was that the case capacity for the .40-82 express cartridge must have been taken from a folded-head case.  Solid head cases we use now are a few grains of water less.  Not enough to make calculated loads dangerous.   

  

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Reply #7 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:28am
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craigster: great link with information my manual doesn't have. However, my unit is the early model with a serial cable. That just shows how full the swamp is. 
My intention is to span the side of the block area on a falling block to look at actual breech thrust. A bit different than hoop stresses. 
I happen to be a great believer in the experimental method but models are good most of the time. 
I'm ADHD and it shows. Right now I'm working on a base for a fifth wheel hitch so I can go hunting in three weeks. (Selkirks). Oh, yes and repairing an aging trailer. Wish I could do the same for my body. 

When the need gets high enough I will fire up a Win98 machine and give it a whirl. I used Windoze until Linux got good enough then switched over. My wife is a Mac person so we are a computer divided family. Something l like the UK and US being divided by a common language.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:41pm
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uscra112 wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:53am:
Unless you're heading into hypervelocity-loads territory, Quickload is all you need.   Lots easier to use, too.   Been using it steadily for several years now.  Could wish that the powders database covered the newest offerings.  Only faulty data I've found so far was that the case capacity for the .40-82 express cartridge must have been taken from a folded-head case.  Solid head cases we use now are a few grains of water less.  Not enough to make calculated loads dangerous.  



This is dating me a little, I had an interior ballistics program a few years ago... it was expensive and high tech then, used MS DOS.  Wink  (digging through my plunder I haven't stumbled on that old program, probably went away in one of the clearings...) You could crunch all the data in - capacities, burn rates, diameters, dimensions, etc. for the most part it was right on and made one feel warm and fuzzy up until we started fooling with barrels.  I worked with a fella that was button rifling and we changed up the methods a little, added gearing or cams to change our twist so we could use the same button through a range of twists, including a gain.  Everything went well most of the time, I had a firearm I put together with nothing too far out of the ordinary, or so I thought.  Using loads calculated as I always did before - had one that got away from me - nothing extremely catastrophic happened to the firearm but I had some case failures I couldn't explain, I rendered this combination inoperable and tabled the components for further examination -  never got back to it.  A secondary spike in pressure is more than likely the culprit but that is only an assumption - assumptions are where things can go terribly wrong.  I'm setting up to experiment with barrels again so... I've almost talked myself into this endeavor.  Smiley
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