joeb33050 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2018 at 1:16pm:


So, did they change rifles, when shooting the famous, 100 shot, OH matches?

Frank

Not buying out of shape.  Real disabled aside it does not take wonderful condition to shoot a rifle offhand. Look at guys over 70 playing golf or shooting sporting clays.  If the offhand gun fits it’s not hard to shoot. Standing rest can carry the weight between shots 

Boats

Olympic shooters use 10 m air rifles built to weight limit rules. Stance modern Olympic shooters use is leaning back so they can get their elbow on the hip, compensating for the lack of a palm rest. They are clothing restricted too even down to the shoes worn. 

Schuetzens have no equipment rule.  I have both 10 m and Schuetzen, they are very different handling. If you look at the old “free rifles” from the 1930s they resemble and I presume are muzzle heavy like traditional Schuetzen rifles.

Not to say that a young shooter brought up in the international disciplines won’t shoot high scores in a Schuetzen match. However if they are going to compete at highest level they will study the entire competition, rifle rules, ammo rule, course of fire, ambient conditions, and come up with the optional approach. I will go out n a limb and say optional indoor air rifle is not optimal 200 yard outdoors. 

Somewhere I read you can look at a offhand shooter and tell were they spent there formative years, its a fact. Ex Highpower international or service rifle shooter approaches the job very different than Silhouette , Muzzle  Loader, or Single Shot Riflemen. 

Boats

Like to read it but it’s real expensive and doubt if I would agree with the conclusions, 25 bucks would look and see 150 don’t think so

I owned a Anschutz 54 3 P rifle Shot smallbore prone matches with it exclusively. It could be configured for offhand and did so when I set up my first pure Schuetzen to get LOP palm rest position and with barrel weights muzzle weight. My 10 M Air gun not as flexable.

Every discipline and individual shooter has optional set up. Will agree something to be learned from other shooting sports I still say Schuetzen is different and Harry Pope had it right. That’s a traditionalist opinion. Somebody else probably has another. 

Boats

boats wrote on Sep 15^th, 2018 at 4:35pm:

I recall a fellow at Springfield, OR  who tried different approaches for several years to improve his offhand.  He was a computer jockey.  His company laid him off and there weren't any jobs in the area.  He became a general contractor doing home improvements out in the field physically doing the work himself.  He told me being active all day every day improved his offhand more than anything else he tried. 

I don't think one can really compare the "jacketed" shooting sports with schuetzen.  I have seen some of them bound up so tight in that leather armor they could do little more than waddle a few paces. 

P1,
Please tell us about your OH, Schuetzen rifle and any OH scores that you have shot with it in 10, 20 or 100 shot matches.

Personally, I detest shooting jackets, I sent my feeling about it to the ASSRA when they asked for input, before they allowed them in the rules ('85).

Since we have a rules regarding artificial support, when shooting OH, I do not know how they ever justified it!

Who here can explain to me, how it isn't a artificial support, when after your strapped in to one, you can barely move. Also, they where never used prior to 1914 in our sport but, I don't think that they are specifically disallowed in the T class. Am I wrong in that?

Anyway, I'm sure we can learn for P! scores if, he adheres to the new science of OH.

Thank you,

Frank

The original question pertained to what barrel would be best on a .22 rimfire rifle. One thing  I would consider is the weight and length of your centerfire rifle barrel. There is merit in having the same weight and weight distribution for both centerfire and rimfire. Practice with the rimfire rifle will benefit you in your centerfire shooting. Joe S

My Smallbore jacket is padded on the elbows and were the sling pulls on the upper arm. Both essential prone Padded elbows can  help your sitting position. Body Simple button closure no straps. I used to use it offhand some because the elbow pads helped my hip rest position.  Totally flexable lateral movement. If my elbow hits the hip properly there is no advantage to the coat offhand at all. 

Club I shot while working in Australia was only allowed smallbore prone on a baffled range. Offhand we shot 10 M Air rifles. Very Few of the good shots used a coat offhand.

Highpower another matter many do strap, however  referring to David Tubb again he does not strap in his Highpower coat offhand leg. Runs it half unbuttoned to facilitate NPA. His book got me thinking about how important NPA is and how coats can make it elusive .

I say use them if you like, just makes easier for the guys that know better.

On the barrel weights, both of my CPA rifles BPC stocked and Schuetzen stocked are switch barrels, Rim and CF weight and balance identical . Rimfire barrel bit less OD to compensate for the smaller bore. And of course trigger & sights the same. I think it’s a big advantage.

Boats