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38-55....How far will it go????
Sep 9th, 2018 at 4:11pm
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I think I have my wife talked into making the trek to MT for the Quigley next year.  I made up a Uberti HW for her to shoot in local matches that go out to 400 yards.  It's in 38-55 with the 2.125" chamber.  28" barrel with a 1;15 twist.  I had a 330 gr. mold made for it that has worked well.  The Quigley goes out to 800+ yards.  One load with IMR 3031 pushed it out a bit over 1400 FPS; any opinions on that making the distance?
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2018 at 7:59pm
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It will make it but the concern should be windage, there is a bunch of blow in that neck of the woods. Also run your loads over a chronograph to verify the variations of velocity, one load that does well is a duplex.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 9th, 2018 at 9:46pm
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Are duplex loads allowed at Quigley ?
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:48am
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A good friend takes his granddaughter's every year and they shoot a 38-55 with a 15 twist.  They both do pretty well but like it's been mentioned, you'll need good windage if the breeze comes up but then so does everybody else. The biggest problem with a 38-55 is that if the grounds are wet the bullet is swallowed up and you don't see the misses and it's tough to get on the target if you can't see the misses. She'll still have fun no matter what and it's a great shoot. Good bullet design is important.  Smokeless and duplex are both allowed at the Q.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 10:42am
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craigster wrote on Sep 9th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Are duplex loads allowed at Quigley ?


Pretty sure they are. Double base smokeless powders are not allowed.

A .38-55 will work at over 500 yds., but you'll be at a distinct disadvantage over guys with .40 and .45 caliber rifles with much heavier bullets. The Quigley has had guys shoot .38-55 before, and do OK, but never get much better than about halfway in the results standing.
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 12:12am
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I've shot the 38-55 with 300 grain bullets to 1000 yards in gong matches. The biggest problem is it's darn hard to see the misses compared to a 40 or larger, so getting the sights adjusted for the wind and mirage can be a problem if your spotter isn't on top of his/her game. They also don't get to the extended ranges with a lot of umph so may not reliably set off the radio or flasher system.
Yes you can use duplex at the Quigley, you can use any of the so called substitute powders, you can run straight black or you can run smokeless, they do have a rule agains using wads with powders like 5744 and the like. 
You can view the rules on the Quigley match web site.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:39am
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Correction on the "double base powders" at Quigley. They are allowed, but only if you don't use a wad. Wads and double base powders are banned at Quigley.
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:56pm
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I was able to test some 38-55 loads using IMR3031 and a 330 gr. bullet at 600 yards. This gave reasonably good results, but more testing will be required. The rifle has a mid-range tang sight and I’ll need to determine if it has enough come-uppens for 800.
I agree, the 38 cal slugs will have a disadvantage over the larger calibers, but I still need something compatible with the wife.
The whole adventure might just be a chance to have phun, so the ability to hit at 800 maybe acidamic.
Thanks for your input.
Mike.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:06pm
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Mike I've used my .38-55 with 255 gr. bullets at 650 yds. with pretty consistent hits on a 24" dinger plate. I used 10.0 grs. of Unique, (1350 fps) and also used 15.0 grs. of 2400 at around the same velocity. 
My midrange tang sights got 650 yds., but would never go further.
Haven't had the 255's out past 650, so can't say what happens to the lighter bullets after that. I'm sure your 300's will do better if your twist rate stabilizes them well enough. Mine are mostly old slow twist rates and wont handle the heavy bullets well. My Schoyen and Pope rifles have faster 1:15" twists, but schuetzen buttplates, and haven't tried them past 500 yds.
  

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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 6:48pm
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Mike, You will need about 38-40 minutes from your 600 yd setting to make it to the buffalo.  That's what my 38-50 needs with a 330 gr bullet and bp.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 10:23am
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Old-Win wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Mike, You will need about 38-40 minutes from your 600 yd setting to make it to the buffalo.  That's what my 38-50 needs with a 330 gr bullet and bp.

Thanks, OW.
The sight setting was 0.84 at 600 and it will elevate to around 1.33 so it may just make it.
Any idea what velocity your 330's leave the muzzle at? What twist are you shooting?
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Mike.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 10:40am
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One load with IMR 3031 pushed it out a bit over 1400 FPS; any opinions on that making the distance?
Mike, Ranch13 summarized the capability of the 38-55 caliber, shooting long distance.  With many sighters I have hit a 1000yd gong target with a 320gr bullet and 48gr of Swiss FFFg. If you expect repeated accuracy at 800-1000yds - Forget it
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 10:55am
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Yes, the .38-55 will get there. And not just with long barreled single shots.

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Maybe even offhand with the right guy shooting it. My late friend Wind.

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Reply #13 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 11:59am
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My daughter and her husband stopped at the Quigley this year on the way back from Yellowstone. They wanted to find out what it is all about.  Here is a picture of her shooting my 38-50 Hepburn with 56 grains of black powder. I'm guessing probably around 1250-1275 fps. I don't have a crony, never used one. It was the first gong target that she ever shot at and she hit the buffalo 4 out of 7 times. You should be able to do 50% with a 38-55 with a little bit of experience. She went four for four on the diamond and three out of four on the number five target which I consider to be very difficult. Like I mentioned earlier, all bets are off if the grounds are wet or it's very windy.
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Reply #14 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 12:39pm
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That little gal in pink with the big smile on her face shot a 5 on the buffalo with her 38-55.
  
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