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ohland Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Joined: Dec 11^th, 2012	Help with Refinished Low Wall value Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	I have a refinished and relined Winchester Low Wall that is winding me in a twist, trying to figure a fair price for. The barrel was drawfiled and has a good blue. The stampings are a bit shallow, but legible. All metal is blued, barrel, action, block, lever, and butt plate. Barrel was relined, and the crown and breech were cleaned up so the liner is unoticeable unless you look down the bore and see the crisp, modern rifling. The block is tight, no wallowing when it is lowered. Breech has the centerfire firing pin. There is no way it could be mistaken for an original rifle, but it is heckuva good shape for a shooter. Pedersoli USA 431 Long Range Silhouette sight, Hadley Eye Cup USA 463 and it also has a Uberti S05 / TS05 High Wall Globe Sight / Windage Globe Sight (which is redundant). Yes, it is in 38-55. The interested party knows it is definitely black powder / cast bullets only...


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #1 - Sep 8^th, 2018 at 11:58pm	Print Post
	ohland wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:39pm: Yes, it is in 38-55. That's saying a mouthful--none of it good. With the huge number of low-cost BP repros in circulation, it's amazing that anyone would waste money on such a bad idea. Could have been turned into a nice small-game rifle. $500, if the buyer signs a release of liability.


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Oldman11 Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2018	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #2 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	Please do not get me wrong as I’m what you call a newbie,but is not the 38-55 a little large for the low-wall? Like I said I’m just getting started in older guns at the age of 75 so please this is not a smart+++ answer.


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ohland Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Joined: Dec 11^th, 2012	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #3 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 2:01pm	Print Post
	What my old man did is between him and God, I can't tell you the details. I can guess, but the only way to be sure is to get to the big range in the sky.... 38-55 is NOT a factory chambering or a special order in the low wall. I have Vols I and II of The Winchester Single Shot, and it is always in the high wall. But... there is nothing keeping someone from grabbing a loose round loaded for a Ruger #1 45-70 and dropping it into a Trapdoor. Even with modern steel, and proper heat treatments, the Trapdoor design is weak. Yet folks still shoot original Trapdoors. Heck, you can buy current production Trapdoors... In WSS, Vol II, someone tested the steel used in the 1885, and it is nothing special. The conclusion was that Winchester could use the steels that they did because of the design. Obviously, the high wall does a better job of supporting the breech block... The action is tight, and it would be a good start for a project...


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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #4 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	A Lo wall with the small Barrel Shank in 38-55 is also a good test of how to get hurt. Selling that is a good way to find yourself in Court for some one who has been injured or worse. No matter how you cover your self with Liability Releases. If the buyer takes it to any Dealer who has any knowledge of these things he should be right back to your door. HTH. Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #5 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 5:57pm	Print Post
	Action alone is worth more than $500.00 and if a liability concern break it down and sell the wood and the barrel separately.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #6 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 8:45pm	Print Post
	Joe, Is that with low pressure reloads or factory jacketed ammo? I think that's everyone's concern. Aaron What's that appendage sticking out of the palm rest?

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3541 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #7 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	I know what the dohickey on the palm rest is, but I just noticed the cool pistol grip treatment on that thing. Is it a straight tang under there?


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #8 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 9:21am	Print Post
	I know that you have stated that you are selling it as a Black powder / Cast bullet only but what happens after it leaves your hands? will the new owner be as scrupulous? Will his widow sell is to some guy buying up collections after he passes? It’s hard enough to find a gunsmith these days that are not just parts changers. Finding a gunsmith who actually know about Single shot falling block / rolling block rifles is hard. So what happens when some newbie buys it at a gunshow and the seller throws in a box of Winchester Factory loads? 40 Rod


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ww Full Member Offline Posts: 176 Joined: Apr 18^th, 2017	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #9 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:00am	Print Post
	Pressure rating for the 38-55 is 35,000 CIP (piezo). I wouldn't be afraid of factory 38-55s it would be someone feeding it factory 375 Winchesters at 55.000 CIP. Someone in the if it fits, shoot it crowd could be a problem. Any ideas what it was originally chambered for. WW


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #10 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:31am	Print Post
	ww wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:00am: Pressure rating for the 38-55 is 35,000 CIP (piezo). I wouldn't be afraid of factory 38-55s it would be someone feeding it factory 375 Winchesters at 55.000 CIP. Someone in the if it fits, shoot it crowd could be a problem. Any ideas what it was originally chambered for. WW I wont call that irrelevant, but there are many guns that wont take well to a .375 Win. loaded in the .38-55 factory chambering. So it's something any gun owner should be aware of, and not just a rebarreled Win. Low Wall.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #11 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 11:39am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:31am: I wont call that irrelevant, but there are many guns that wont take well to a .375 Win. loaded in the .38-55 factory chambering. So it's something any gun owner should be aware of, and not just a rebarreled Win. Low Wall. It was negligent of Win. not to anticipate this possibility, & prevent it by making their .375 case too long to fit into a .38-55 chamber, just as .357 Mags are too long to fit a .38 Spl. chamber.


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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 864 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #12 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 11:39am: marlinguy wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:31am: I wont call that irrelevant, but there are many guns that wont take well to a .375 Win. loaded in the .38-55 factory chambering. So it's something any gun owner should be aware of, and not just a rebarreled Win. Low Wall. It was negligent of Win. not to anticipate this possibility, & prevent it by making their .375 case too long to fit into a .38-55 chamber, just as .357 Mags are too long to fit a .38 Spl. chamber. It could be the Winchester engineers had cause to shorten the .375 Win for purposes of fitment into the 1894 action. Also Winchester never chambered the 38-55 in rifles that could not withstand a load from a .375 Win discharge.


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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #13 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Also Winchester never chambered the 38-55 in rifles that could not withstand a load from a .375 Win discharge. My Model 1894 built in 1896 was not designed for 50,000 cup. Neither are any 1894's or 94's. Only the "Big Bore 94's" with their strengthened receivers can take a 375 Win. They weren't introduced till 1978. Aaron
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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Help with Refinished Low Wall value Reply #14 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	Rebel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 1:28pm: Also Winchester never chambered the 38-55 in rifles that could not withstand a load from a .375 Win discharge. My Model 1894 built in 1896 was not designed for 50,000 cup. Neither are any 1894's or 94's. Only the "Big Bore 94's" with their strengthened receivers can take a 375 Win. They weren't introduced till 1978. Aaron Furthermore, responsible ammo makers don't assume their products will be used ONLY in guns made by them. What about the Ballards, Stevens, etc. chambered for .38-55? Not likely, I know, that anyone would be crazy enough to try out a .375 in their old 44, but it's hard to believe their wasn't some way to make the .375 incompatible with such old guns.


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