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cleaning breech seated brass
Aug 19th, 2018 at 8:28am
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What do you guys all do to clean brass that is for breech seating?
My normal process for all my brass is to wet tumble in SS pin media but I am wondering if that will bend, distort the thin straight walled 38-55 brass mouths.  I would think I want to avoid any distortion of the mouth.  By the way the wet tumbling is amazing...primer pockets and all shiny as new with dawn dish soap and a pinch of lemi-shine.   

The brand new starline brass first shot has some blowby on outside of the cases so they are fairly dirty..dirty enough I want to clean them short of wiping each one.  When I am done I will have 500.
  

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Re: cleaning breech seated brass
Reply #1 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 9:52am
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I never clean it. if i get any crusting on the outside of the case i use a small square of white sanding pad. It takes off the crap without touching the petina. 

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Reply #2 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 10:29am
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What do you guys all do to clean brass that is for breech seating?
My normal process for all my brass is to wet tumble in SS pin media but I am wondering if that will bend, distort the thin straight walled 38-55 brass mouths
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Put several in your tumbler with your pins & the solution covering over the tops of the brass ... you'll be amazed that the mouths ... will NOT be bent, distorting the thin straight walled 38-55 brass mouths
  
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Re: cleaning breech seated brass
Reply #3 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 10:47am
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The SS pins do indeed give dirty brass a good shinny cleaning. I normally shoot my 38-55 with black and duplex loads so cleaning after each firing is mandatory, IMO. Bent or distorted case mouths have not been a problem in my experience when using SS pins.
If you have been getting blow-back at the case mouth there is a cure for that. I had my Simmons re-decaper modified to bell the case mouth each time I punch out a spent primer. The expander plug is adjusted so it just kisses the case mouth as the primer is ejected by the decapping pin. That keeps the case mouths nice and round, virtually eliminating any blow-back.
The tool shown is for 32-40 but properly sized decapper plug will work the same for 38-55. If you don't have a Simmon's tool, buy an expander button as comes with reloading dies. That works also and is what I use for my 38-50 (Rem).
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 10:58am
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yeah I was wondering about the blowback.  so far i have been just loading with new brass straight from the box it was shipped in realizing I would be fire forming to chamber dimensions through the process.  I have a Lyman M die that I can get a little better bell seal with, thanks
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 11:52am
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If you have annealed the necks they are softer and seal in the chamber preventing the blowback on the necks.

When I start seeing blackening on the outsides of my necks I know it is time re-anneal my cases.

Starline brass is delibrately made hard and must be annealed even before the first shot.

And of course I only use fired cases and never resize my brass which means it does not case harden as quickly and is a tighter fit in the chamber; again being easier to seal tight in the chamber when fired. 
So less blowback. And easier to clean.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 11:53am
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When I anneal my brass to first light color in a dark room it seals and shoots very well. However tumbling such brass with ss pins for an hour leaves many cases with peened lips. I now anneal for a shorter period of time. I ironed out the case mouths with a fl size die and snug fitting gage pin.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 12:47pm
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I use the same case so I only have one case to clean at the end of the day and I clean it by hand.

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Reply #8 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 2:01pm
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hence my other thread about annealing breech brass.   I think the comment about Starline being hard is spot on.   thanks also for the tip not to anneal too much if I am going to tumble in the SS pins.   little by little coming together
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 4:04pm
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When I see a little darkening, I wipe it with brass wool.  My case fits well enough to compress air and pop back out 1/4" once in a while.  I suppose it fits about as good as it can.
  

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Re: cleaning breech seated brass
Reply #10 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 5:15pm
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I "belled" all the mouths of the new unfired brass just enough for a nice tight fit with my Lyman m die and will see if my blowback and dirty brass subsides.  I think if I would have annealed the new starline brass initially it would have helped aid the process of final fire forming, tight seal, etc.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 6:21pm
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Critter you would be allot better served to just use one single case. No two cases are exactly alike and more times not no two cases will provide you with the same shot placement on the target. It is not untypical when I have to change to another case to also have to re-sight in just for that specific case and at times to also alter the load slightly. One could go through all 500 hundred of your cases and carefully sort by shooting to come up with enough for a match but it is also allot of tedious work. If just wanting to shoot offhand you would probably never know the difference. But if wanting to be very competitive off the bench or doing load development using one case is the best way to go. If like you say currently working on getting the rifle to shoot and using multiple cases the poor group sizes, uncalled for shots / flyers etc. could just very simply be caused by the use of multiple cases alone. Bottom line is you will never find the answers to your why's and how comes your rifle is not shooter better or possibly not shooting very good at all. Also keep in mind for about every ten degrees in temperature change more times than it also requires a slight change in your powder charge to keep the rifle in tune / consistently shooting it's very best. This also holds very true from one day to next as density altitude, humidity etc. also change not only during the day but from day to the next. It is also best to have the extremely accurate and easy to use Harrel Schuetzen powder measure and to be loading at the bench so you can keep up with all of those changes. Very seldom I am using the same powder charge but a slight variation in tenths from the norm. either having to up and or down as is required at the time. 

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Re: cleaning breech seated brass
Reply #12 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 8:03pm
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I have 500 cases for each one of my rifles.
I have absolutely no difference in accuracy by firing a different case for each shot but then my chamber is perfectly centered by my gunsmith.

People with badly centered chambers find putting the same case in the chamber in always in the same manner 
can improve accuracy.

This target was shot with 25 different .32 RKS cases  and even with the wind conditions I almost put all 25 in the bulls eye.

I have a good gunsmith and have no problem switching cases.
  
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Re: cleaning breech seated brass
Reply #13 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 9:03pm
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  I use multiple cases and find it a considerable advantage for accurate shooting.
  

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Re: cleaning breech seated brass
Reply #14 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 9:33pm
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I have won many competitions waiting and calling the wind down to the very last available second.

I found it better to use my time and watch the wind rather  than wasting that essential time reloading cases.

You have to be ready for a split second response time when the wind returns to a specific condition for you to shoot accurately.

You miss those points in time if you are doing something else like reloading cases.
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