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Stevens No. 47 Modern Range Target in .32-40
Aug 15th, 2018 at 1:23am
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Well, my new (to me) Stevens No. 47 Modern Range Target rifle in .32-40 WCF just arrived today and it's a beauty!  Very good bore and very nice overall.  Can't wait to get it up to my local range and shoot it a bit.  (Do any of our resident Stevens experts happen to know what years the Stevens model 47's were manufactured?)  Enjoy!

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Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 1:27am
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The 44 1/2 action was made 1903 to 1915.  The s/n would, I want to guess, put it somewhere in the middle.  Stevens' records are gone, so that's the best anyone can do.   
  

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OK, thanks!
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:19am
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What you have isn't merely a #47, but, with the non-standard checkering, a DELUXE 47!  Before the introduction of the 44-1/2 action, it would have been called a #48, but during the short production of this action (1903-1916), Stevens dropped the #48 designation, making checkering one of many options available, like the DS triggers.

  
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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:21am
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Is the underside of the "S" pistol grip checkered too?  ... very cool!  I don't think I've seen that before.

I think that Stevens rifles are still undervalued relative to Winchester, Remington or Ballard single-shot rifles.  your rifle looks like a great original survivor.

I like it!
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:35am
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Joe Do... wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:21am:
Is the underside of the "S" pistol grip checkered too?  ... very cool!  I don't think I've seen that before.


Would guess that was part of the basic checkering option--$4 extra c.1910. But higher priced checkering options were also available, going up to $8, when the cost of a Favorite was only $6-7.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:01am
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In the beginning, the even-numbered models (i.e., the 46,48,50,52,54) were "deluxe" versions of the odd numbers.  That always meant fancier wood; but as Redsetter notes, it could also include (fancier) checkering, cut engraving rather than etched, and other upgrades over their lower-number "twins".  And as Redsetter further notes, eventually the 46, 48, 50, and 52 models were dropped.  The 54, however, stayed, displacing the 53 as the "top of the heap", at least until the "Pope Special" came along to temporarily displace it, at least for target shooters seeking the best, or the prestige of Pope's name.

Now I wish I could say that's all there was to it.  But, since a customer could order just about any extra on any model at fixed extra costs, it has been said with much truth that it's harder to find a Stevens rifle that exactly fits a catalog description than not.  In short, the collecting of Stevens single shots is always interesting, often challenging, and sometimes simply "confusin' and not amusin'", to quote Al Capp.

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Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:09am
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Speaking of checkering, while God and the Stevens Shop Manager were likely the only ones who knew jut how elaborate the checkering could get, I've seen not just fancy patterns but ones containing two sizes of diamonds within the same border.  If I remember correctly, Maynards are the only other rifles that sometimes exhibit such a height of fancy.

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Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:19am
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Gosh that's a pretty rifle.   

However, the amount of overruns and the inconsistencies in the pattern of the checkering from one side compared to the other makes me wonder if that checkering wasn't applied post factory.   

Still, overall a mighty nice looking rifle.

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Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:21am
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Did you get this from Ontario Canada by any chance?  It looks like one that was listed at Ellwood Epps recently.  I've bought a few single shots from them.  The nice ones they've had in were from a collector that passed away a few years ago.

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Reply #10 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:36am
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A very pretty Stevens Al! And very unique also!
  

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Bill Lawrence wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:09am:
I've seen not just fancy patterns but ones containing two sizes of diamonds within the same border.  If I remember correctly, Maynards are the only other rifles that sometimes exhibit such a height of fancy.


When the height off fancy ascends too high, it can degrade into garishness, which is what I think of that 2-size diamond pattern, not to mention all those ornately-carved German stocks (though of course the workmanship itself on them is fabulous). 

Those doing the checkering being human, it would not be surprising in they reserved their very best efforts for the most expensive guns--those with highly-figured wood, engraving, etc.  Although the original buyer of this 47 opted for checkering & DSs, both very practical improvements over the standard model, he did not splurge on fancy wood, cheekpiece, or other embellishments.  So I would imagine the worker doing the checkering on this gun was not nearly so impressed with it as we are.


  
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Joe Do... wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:21am:
Is the underside of the "S" pistol grip checkered too?  ... very cool!  I don't think I've seen that before.


Yes, as a matter of fact it is.

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gunlaker wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:21am:
Did you get this from Ontario Canada by any chance?  It looks like one that was listed at Ellwood Epps recently.


Yes, this is the rifle that Epps in Ontario had listed.  I also bought an 1882 Maynard from them a short time ago that might have been from the same collection?  I made an offer on this Stevens and when they finally contacted the consignor they said yes and I bought it.  The only real "wart" it has is it looks like someone drilled a hole for a rear sling swivel which puzzles me, but hopefully it will be a small fix to fill it and blend it in.

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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 3:02pm
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I prepped about 150 brass yesterday and lubed and sized some suitable cast bullets and will finish loading them up today.  I'm going to try my old tried and true Cowboy Action Shooting load of 12 grains of 2400.  I used that nice soft target load very successfully in our CAS rifle side matches in my 1885 High Wall and Ballard in .32-40.  We're planning on a range day this Friday and I'm looking forward to trying this Stevens out on paper.
  

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Reply #15 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 3:35pm
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Unless you have a plug cutter to cut plugs across the grain, the sling hole repair will show. I usually elongate the holes and fit an oval shaped plug that I cut from walnut that matches the grain. A perfectly round hole is tough to hide, but an elongated irregular shape blends in better.
  

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OK ... thanks for the tip!
  

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While Marlinguy's method certainly works and and a grain-faced plug is absolutely necessary, I've found that irregular-shaped plugs work best of all.

However, in this case, a tapered round plug in a matching tapered hole should work well enough.  The tricks are that edges of the hole are sharp while the top of your plug is just oh-so-slightly bigger than your hole.  Apply the glue to the hole rather than the plug, orient the plug, and tap it - gently - into place.  After the plug's been trimmed off, it should only be noticeable at very close inspection.  If you want to hide it further before touching up the finish, a needle-pointed x-acto knife and the finest-tipped permanent ink pens that your art supply store sells can make the grain seem to flow over the join almost perfectly.

But however you do it, remember that casual eyes tend to see what they expect to see.  So as long as your plug fits tightly and the grain and color match, the repair will meet with approval.

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Since there's no point of attachment for the opposite end of a sling (unless a leather loop around the brl. was used), I think this hole was used to attach the kind of butt-rest sometimes used for bench shooting in muzzle-loading days, long before modern bench eqpt. had evolved.  The very simple, more or less, T-shaped, device I'm referring to held the gun upright by means of a crosspiece a few inches long, & slid backward with the gun as it recoiled. Some of them had a screw adjustment for leveling the gun, I believe.
  
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Reply #19 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:03pm
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Good detective work, Redsetter; I'd forgotten about "butt rests".  But playing devil's advocate, wouldn't it have left some marks on the stock?

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Reverend Al wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
gunlaker wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:21am:
Did you get this from Ontario Canada by any chance?  It looks like one that was listed at Ellwood Epps recently.


Yes, this is the rifle that Epps in Ontario had listed.  I also bought an 1882 Maynard from them a short time ago that might have been from the same collection?  I made an offer on this Stevens and when they finally contacted the consignor they said yes and I bought it.  The only real "wart" it has is it looks like someone drilled a hole for a rear sling swivel which puzzles me, but hopefully it will be a small fix to fill it and blend it in.



I thought so.  It's a beautiful rifle.  I looked at it on their site more than once  Smiley

The fellow who owned it was likely Ted Girodat.  I have a left handed Winchester Special Single Shot and a Zischang highwall ( complete with molds and accessories) from his collection.

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Bill Lawrence wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
  But playing devil's advocate, wouldn't it have left some marks on the stock?

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No idea--only seen them in old photos. Maybe something like a leather washer was used between the metal cross-piece & the wood. But aside from the unavoidable loss of CC on the rcvr., this gun has been VERY well cared for.
  
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Reply #22 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 12:00am
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Beautiful and interesting Stevens. They can be hard to decipher after the fact. The question on the checkering reminds me of a Favorite I bought some time back with a checkered stock that looks to me to be factory but the configeration doesn't match what was offered in the catalogs of the day. Still not sure if its factory are after the fact but it sure looks right.
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 12:34am
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Not to disparage Stevens work, but some over runs on the checkering aren't that surprising from the ones I've seen.
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 3:38am
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Got some ammo loaded up for it with the bullets just lightly engraving when the action is closed.  Typically I size my .32-40 bullets to .321", but I left these a bit bigger at .323" and will see how they shoot.  I hope to get out to one of the quieter, less heavily used ranges I belong to one day next week so that I can take my time and shoot a few test targets without too much distraction.
  

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Well, after a few delays I finally got out to the range today to test fire a few rounds through the .32-40 Stevens.  A bit of a tricky rear sight and the adjustments are extremely fine and not very well marked for old eyes.  It took me quite a few rounds to finally get it onto the target and then some very fine "guestimation" adjustments to get it shooting into the centre of the target.  In all I fired about 50 rounds at 100 yards just getting used to the gun, the sights, and the trigger.  That trigger is absolutely feather light!  I've shot lots of guns with set triggers before, but this one makes sure that you are REALLY paying attention.  I'm not complaining at all, you just have to make sure you keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.  My choice of targets wasn't the best either as the front globe insert almost covers the entire outer black ring at 100 yards, so I'll try some different targets next time.
One of the other club members was at the range today and he was hosting his massage therapist and her 11 year old son to a day of shooting.  She had shot a little bit before, but it was her son's very first day behind the trigger of a rifle.  After he had a bit of practice with a .22 rimfire we let him fire about 5 rounds out of my Stevens.  He loved it and was very excited about it all.  The best part was that even at 11 years of age he was a real little gentleman, paid attention, did as he was told, and thanked us afterwards with a handshake.  Nice to see at least one of the younger generation who is growing up right ...

Here are the last 10 rounds of the day.  Pulled one high (there always has to be one flyer doesn't there?) and the vertical stringing on the rest of them is likely just me with a hazy sight picture.

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Reply #26 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 11:19am
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What bullet are you using?

Most of the shots appear to be tipped a little.

I do think that your rifle will "shoot" with a little more load development, although it much harder, using fixed ammo.

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Bullets may be tipping, but this kind of stringing is also one of the usual symptoms of inconsistent velocity and/or a bedding problem with the forearm. 
  
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If pressure signs are absent, I'd put a wee bit more powder in and try that once more. 
I spent a couple of years going back and monkeying around with fixed ammo in a .32-40, and found that if the combination of ingredients was right, the rifle would shoot just about as well fixed as it always has with breech seated loads. It was a fun venture, and quite satisfying. My two best loads were a 185 gr bullet and 14.1gr. of 4227, and a 193gr.(I think) bullet with 13.6 gr. 4759. That last one was fun because it came from a posting here by Froggie, and I just happened to have similar stuff to try. Bingo.
  
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Reply #29 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 1:38pm
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Beautiful Rifle!

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Reply #30 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 2:48pm
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This was 12.0 grains of 2400 with a plain base Lee custom bullet of about 170 grains.  It's not my usual .32-40 bullet, but were some from a used 6 cavity special order mould that I "fell into" and bought last year.  I usually shoot a 165 grain plain base Rapine bullet that shoots extremely well in my Ballard and High Wall, but didn't have any of those cast at the moment.  I had about 100 of these bullets already on hand and just tried them since I was eager to get out and shoot the rifle.  Our weather is finally cooling off a bit so I hope to get some casting done in the near future and I'll try some of my tried and true Rapine bullets to compare.  I normally size my Rapine bullets to .321" as well, but these bullets I shot yesterday were sized at .323" and I didn't take the time to re-size them again to .321", so there are lots of variables.  I was looking at the target last night and also wondered if they were tipping a bit or if I just didn't have the target paper stapled tight to the cardboard backer?  It'll take a bit more test shooting with a wider variety of loads to get some answers ...

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What bullet are you using?

Most of the shots appear to be tipped a little.

I do think that your rifle will "shoot" with a little more load development, although it much harder, using fixed ammo.

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