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Oldman11 Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2018	Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Aug 9^th, 2018 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	What would be a good deer load in a Springfield trapdoor carbine 45-70? I would like to use blackpowder,maybe with a 500 grain bullet. Would the 45-70 500 grain be too much for the carbine?


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1749 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #1 - Aug 9^th, 2018 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	I suggest that especially for a TD Carbine, use a 400 grain bullet which was found to be good in the lighter carbine. Will be Plenty for Deer out to typical woods ranges, 100yds,etc Yes, I killed a lot of deer with 45-70 and 385 gr cast bullet at out to 100 yds beltfed/arnie


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #2 - Aug 9^th, 2018 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	I like a little lighter bullet in the carbine. I would hate to spoil my offhand for life . I used one for hunting many years ago. I think the bullets were around 400. I know they were not the 525.

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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Brian Junior Member Offline Posts: 90 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2014	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2018 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	My original carbine shoots way better with the 500 grn. gov. Lyman bullet than the 405 both shot with black and even though it is a round nose the deer can't tell the difference Brian


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7537 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #4 - Aug 10^th, 2018 at 9:25am	Print Post
	The Government used 405 gr bullets in the carbine load, reason was recoil. It will kill deer and you won’t be shooting much distance due to the trajectory. Only reason to use something else is go even lighter looking for more recoil reduction. I used to load a 330 gr intended for lever action 45/70 for My very light H&R Officers model reproduction. It worked well in my Original Trapdoor Carbine and Cadet model too. Not a good black powder bullet I loaded it smokeless. All things considered hard to improve on the Goverments Carbine choice, Black Powder & 405 gr. Boats


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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #5 - Aug 10^th, 2018 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	I own a M1886 Take Down Light weight in 45-70 Nickle Steel barrel, it only weighs 6.9 Lbs. When I first acquired it I started out with 405 Gr. Jacketed Bullets with a stiff load of 3031. Shot super, clover leaf groups from 50 Yds. to 100 Yds. with little Elevation loss. Kicked a Little but I ignored it, thought to myself, "Won't be shooting it that much" Well for the next 3 years I missed what should have been easy Shots at Deer up in Maine. Finally said "Am I flinching?" NAH! well went to a 300 Gr. Speer bullet and a reasonable load of 45 Gr. 4064. Wow, shot as good as the other load and was pleasant to shoot. Next trip to Maine took a nice 4 point Buck in about 15 minutes of my first day, BAH! Hunt is over. I have a plan right now to build a Carbine using some Engraved Action parts and I will load it with the 325 Gr, Gould Hollow Point. I have shot this bullet in Trapdoor Rifles in the past and they shot very good out to 100 yds. HTH Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7537 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #6 - Aug 10^th, 2018 at 12:37pm	Print Post
	Tuck 330 bullet I used was from a Raphine mold, copy of the Gould bullet except flat point no HP. It’s a great bullet. I never tried it with BP figured it would take too much black to fill the case. It was very accurate with light charges of Unique. It’s a fact you have to hit them before any load is effective. Less recoil adequate power will outperform every time. Boats


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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #7 - Aug 10^th, 2018 at 9:00pm	Print Post
	boats wrote on Aug 10^th, 2018 at 12:37pm: Tuck 330 bullet I used was from a Raphine mold, copy of the Gould bullet except flat point no HP. It’s a great bullet. I never tried it with BP figured it would take too much black to fill the case. It was very accurate with light charges of Unique. It’s a fact you have to hit them before any load is effective. Less recoil adequate power will outperform every time. Boats Accurate Molds has a 335 gr. bullet such as you describe. It has a nice wide flat point. It shoots as well as I can see the sights in my 45-70's. JS


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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #8 - Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:53am	Print Post
	There is a 315 Gr. bullet from Lyman 457191 that for many years I considered the Gould Hollow point without the Hollow Point. I have shot just as the Gould and it shot just as well. Easier to cast. It is not an exact copy the Grease Grooves are narrower. Cast's .459 if I remember right. Been a while. It has done well for me in every 45-70 I have tried it in as has the Gould @ 330 Gr. FITZ. OLD TUCK.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #9 - Aug 11^th, 2018 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	And don't forget - all Pedersoli barrels including the Trapdoors are match grade


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7537 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Trapdoor carbine 45-70 Reply #10 - Aug 11^th, 2018 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	Generally the reproduction 330 g Gould bullets are .459 used with smokeless powder they need to be a bit oversized, they don’t bump up. Arsenal 405 used with black should use a softer alloy and be a bit smaller too. It can bump up to suit the Original barrel. Not hard rules, individual Guns and bullets may be different. Rule of thumb Boats


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