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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: English rook rifles Reply #45 - Sep 20^th, 2018 at 12:22pm	Print Post
	Rifles retailed by Pape turn up all the time here in the UK. We need a picture to identify the maker, Fred


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: English rook rifles Reply #46 - Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:34am	Print Post
	Old-Win wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:39am: Can the 250 Rook cartridge be reloaded from modern components? Is there any brass that might work? Unless I'm reading Barnes incorrectly, base diameter of .22 Hornet brass is awfully close. And Hunter's Supply has some 50 grain .250" cast bullets. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #47 - Sep 21^st, 2018 at 11:43pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:34am: Old-Win wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:39am: Can the 250 Rook cartridge be reloaded from modern components? Is there any brass that might work? Unless I'm reading Barnes incorrectly, base diameter of .22 Hornet brass is awfully close. And Hunter's Supply has some 50 grain .250" cast bullets. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) The hornet can be made to work, but the rims are too thick. Buffalo arms occasionally has brass. The above referenced slugs shoot OK .

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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #48 - Sep 21^st, 2018 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	Fred Boulton wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 12:22pm: Rifles retailed by Pape turn up all the time here in the UK. We need a picture to identify the maker, Fred It’s a Webley based action.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1692 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: English rook rifles Reply #49 - Sep 24^th, 2018 at 9:05am	Print Post
	Could one of the little .250 break open rook rifles with the side lever be safely chambered in .25 Hornet or 25-20 Win SS? Would the twist rate be OK?
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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #50 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 4:49pm	Print Post
	Old-Win wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 9:05am: Could one of the little .250 break open rook rifles with the side lever be safely chambered in .25 Hornet or 25-20 Win SS? Would the twist rate be OK? The American 25 chamberings are .257”-.258” the English 250 is in fact .250” which is why most slugs available are for 25ACP.

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Fazer Full Member Offline Posts: 248 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: English rook rifles Reply #51 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 8:18am	Print Post
	Quote: the English 250 is in fact .250 Same as the 300 rook is .300


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: English rook rifles Reply #52 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 4:34am	Print Post
	This thread confuses me.(easily done!). There is more than one 25 calibre in the rook rifle family. The most common one is .297-25, followed by ,255 Jefferies. There are others. I am assuming that we are talking about .297-25. I shot this calibre for some years using re-formed .22 Hornet brass. Yes, the rims need to be thinned a little but this is easily accomplished. I used a 25 acp bullet mould with 2 grn of Bullseye and the results were good. My dies came from the now defunct North Devon Firearms Services, but C4H do them as well. As obsolete cartridges go, this is an easy one to load for, once the initial investment in tooling is made. Fred


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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #53 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Fred Boulton wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 4:34am: This thread confuses me.(easily done!). There is more than one 25 calibre in the rook rifle family. The most common one is .297-25, followed by ,255 Jefferies. There are others. I am assuming that we are talking about .297-25. I shot this calibre for some years using re-formed .22 Hornet brass. Yes, the rims need to be thinned a little but this is easily accomplished. I used a 25 acp bullet mould with 2 grn of Bullseye and the results were good. My dies came from the now defunct North Devon Firearms Services, but C4H do them as well. As obsolete cartridges go, this is an easy one to load for, once the initial investment in tooling is made. Fred Why confusion? I did not take the question as broadly as you but specifically about the 250 or more properly 297/250 which is the primary one seen in these parts. While I to have formed a few from Hornet, I sourced some from a custom house in Colorado with a nice, proper head stamp.

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Nero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1006 Location: NZ Joined: Jun 1^st, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #54 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:06pm	Print Post
	Here is my H/H which I have had for a few years now. The barrel was shot out and it has been relined with a 1 in 9 twist liner and chambered in 5.6x50R by my local gun smith and a bit chopped off the end of the barrel making it just under 23" ( just bought a new Apple and can't find fractions of an inch on it yet) It has on the underside of the barrel 22LR with proof marks where it had been converted from centre fire and my local gun smith returned it to centre fire. Unless it was made originally as a R/F cannot remember what he said.
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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #55 - Oct 25^th, 2018 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	Fred Boulton wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 4:34am: This thread confuses me.(easily done!). There is more than one 25 calibre in the rook rifle family. The most common one is .297-25, followed by ,255 Jefferies. There are others. I am assuming that we are talking about .297-25. I shot this calibre for some years using re-formed .22 Hornet brass. Yes, the rims need to be thinned a little but this is easily accomplished. I used a 25 acp bullet mould with 2 grn of Bullseye and the results were good. My dies came from the now defunct North Devon Firearms Services, but C4H do them as well. As obsolete cartridges go, this is an easy one to load for, once the initial investment in tooling is made. Fred Yep, you’re right about that. I think I am a little less on the Bullseye, trick seems to be to get it at about 1100 FPS to get my express sights about right. Made a Little Dipper out of a 22 casing, works pretty good.

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Nero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1006 Location: NZ Joined: Jun 1^st, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #56 - Nov 4^th, 2018 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	In the book Rook & Rabbit Rifle by Colin Greenwood is an advert for Holland & Holland rook rifles which I find intriguing in that it list's that they can be had for the 303 round. Must be for an entirely different rifle seeing the difference in the price to handle the Brit 303?
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Old Soldier Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 288 Location: North Pole, Alaska Joined: Oct 17^th, 2015	Re: English rook rifles Reply #57 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	Just finished a book on Rook rifles. Really got the hots for one. The issue is the money exchange rate. It puts them way out of my range. Too bad, they sure look fun.

	"White man have very strong Medicine. Shoot today maybeso kill you tomorrow." Esa-Tai Commanche warrior
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Old Soldier Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 288 Location: North Pole, Alaska Joined: Oct 17^th, 2015	Re: English rook rifles Reply #58 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 5:18pm	Print Post
	States rights said he likes took rifles. So do I. I grew up on took rifles. My Uncle took this rifle off of a dead German. Another Uncle took this rifle off a dead Jap.

	"White man have very strong Medicine. Shoot today maybeso kill you tomorrow." Esa-Tai Commanche warrior
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3585 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: English rook rifles Reply #59 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Old soldier, you, and you uncles get the attaboys!


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