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Fazer Full Member Offline Posts: 248 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: English rook rifles Reply #30 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	Quote: the one that intrigues me is the Reilly on the Tranter patent.It looks like a simple action that might be somewhat easy to make. Does anyone have any info on these? If you are interested I could pull it apart and get some pictures to you, if you think that could help


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rodneys Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: Central Oklahoma Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: English rook rifles Reply #31 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	I would be interested also in seeing the parts.


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Fazer Full Member Offline Posts: 248 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: English rook rifles Reply #32 - Sep 4^th, 2018 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	Sorry for the delay but things have been difficult here as of late. I have some rudimentary pictures here. Haven't pulled it completely down as I just want to be sure that I won't need some special tool to put it back together. Way things are going that's what would happen. Left side (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Right side, upper tang removed (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) From behind (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) bottom (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Extractor type, this is a different rifle, but this type of extractor (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) If and when I can get time, I'll see if I can't get it all broken down


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Ponderosa Paul Junior Member Offline Posts: 69 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2013	Re: English rook rifles Reply #33 - Sep 5^th, 2018 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	I googled Tranter patent rifle and got quite a bit of info.If you go to Images and scroll down you will see a drawing of the Rook rifle. It looks like it would be a good candidate for a home build. I went to the Firearms Tech Museum site and found a lot of info on Tranter and his firearms, I printed a copy of the Rook and I think it might almost be full size. Paul


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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2047 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: English rook rifles Reply #34 - Sep 6^th, 2018 at 12:30am	Print Post
	Huvius, Thank you for posting pictures of your Webley. I like it! I have one of Rodney's castings that I'm working on as a demo for the students in my night class. Undecided on the caliber it will become but I'm leaning towards the 25-35 W.C.F. - Mr. Winfer commented that it was actually one of the calibers the rook was chambered in, since I don't remember having a firearm chambered in this... Greg

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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2238 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: English rook rifles Reply #35 - Sep 6^th, 2018 at 11:32am	Print Post
	The Webley round breech block is a fine, beautiful little action, but use caution selecting cartridges for them. Most of the breech block support comes from the bottom of the loading trough. The high walls don't offer much support because they tend to spread outward from the round breech block. Have seen gaps between the breech block and sidewalls. I don't rate the action as that much stronger than a Winchester Low-Wall. Just my opinion, others disagree. Chuck


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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2047 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: English rook rifles Reply #36 - Sep 6^th, 2018 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	Chuck, Thanks for the bit o wisdom, I have not studied the frame casting real close - time has been spent on the lower tang and lever. A quick glance at it originally and there appeared to be considerable material back side of the breech block area -the casting has no material removed for the loading trough so there was plenty. Laying a cartridge in the area - as per my photo, much of this support will go away. I will recalculate stress and strain to surface area before choosing a cartridge for this. The only up side to this is it is modern steel (8620) vs whatever was used at the turn of the century. Huvius, If at some time would you post or PM a picture from the top - breech open and closed? Thanks, Greg

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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2238 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: English rook rifles Reply #37 - Sep 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Greg, Here are some pictures. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Was a good discussion here with pictures and finite element model but turned into a P-contest and OP deleted everything. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) OP sometime posts here if he sees this. Chuck


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gwahir Senior Forum Member Offline Ve gets too soon olt und too late shmart. Posts: 416 Location: montana Joined: Dec 31^st, 2005	Re: English rook rifles Reply #38 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 10:22am	Print Post
	Hivius, I have an Army and Navy like the one you have pictured. Have you any idea as to who made it? Mine came to me from a good friend many years ago. It has been relined to a K Hornet and has an Alaskan up top. It draws blood often. It is my favorite rifle.


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Huvius Junior Member Offline Posts: 73 Location: Wheat Ridge Joined: Apr 12^th, 2011	Re: English rook rifles Reply #39 - Sep 15^th, 2018 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	There has been a lot of talk about the round block acting as a wedge on these small ‘02 Webleys. Must not have bothered Holland & Holland as they did build one in 22 Savage Hi Power! (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Huvius Junior Member Offline Posts: 73 Location: Wheat Ridge Joined: Apr 12^th, 2011	Re: English rook rifles Reply #40 - Sep 15^th, 2018 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	gwahir wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 10:22am: Hivius, I have an Army and Navy like the one you have pictured. Have you any idea as to who made it? Mine came to me from a good friend many years ago. It has been relined to a K Hornet and has an Alaskan up top. It draws blood often. It is my favorite rifle. I am thinking that Webley made this Army & Navy. Read somewhere that he angle on the barrel just behind the forend was a Webley thing.


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gwahir Senior Forum Member Offline Ve gets too soon olt und too late shmart. Posts: 416 Location: montana Joined: Dec 31^st, 2005	Re: English rook rifles Reply #41 - Sep 17^th, 2018 at 11:04am	Print Post
	Huvirus, thanks for proving background concerning the Army and Navy. I have waited several decades to find someone to whom I could address the question!


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: English rook rifles Reply #42 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 9:39am	Print Post
	I love that small frame Snyder, they don't come any better than that. Thank you for the picture, Lee Gibbs


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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: English rook rifles Reply #43 - Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:16pm	Print Post
	I have a very nice W C Pape side lever in 295/250 and my primary reason for posting is to inquire as to whether anybody out there ever see one ? This is in nice shape but frankly 1/2 the reason I bought it, it was the only one I ever saw or heard about though I am familiar with there shotguns.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1692 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: English rook rifles Reply #44 - Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:39am	Print Post
	Can the 250 Rook cartridge be reloaded from modern components? Is there any brass that might work?


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