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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #30 - Aug 21^st, 2018 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	BP just an HDPE container with a lid I assume being made out of the same? That is what all nine of my 8lb. containers of Alliant 300MP have been packaged in to date.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #31 - Aug 21^st, 2018 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	Do your 8lb containers have metal lids?

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3964 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #32 - Aug 21^st, 2018 at 11:22pm	Print Post
	Who cares that the posted problem was with tin lids? If those suckers rusted, something inside changed too. He needs to determine if the powder's containers are worth putting new caps on or just tossing the contents on the lawn. Get real, John's plastic cap and his tinfoil one don't make an answer to the question. And, he needs to find a much better place to store his powder, no matter the type of lids he ends up with. Linda, you listening?


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7650 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #33 - Aug 21^st, 2018 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Aug 21^st, 2018 at 10:37pm: BP just an HDPE container with a lid I assume being made out of the same? That is what all nine of my 8lb. containers of Alliant 300MP have been packaged in to date. I might bring it to your attention, JL. IMR is not made, produced as a product or packaged by Alliant. Did you not know that? Frank

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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 873 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #34 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 9:02am	Print Post
	BP wrote on Aug 21^st, 2018 at 10:35pm: John, When I ran into that dried out compound, I called the supplier and they told me about the hdpe allowing moisture to pass through the walls of the plastic. They sent replacement compound with a note to transfer it into glass jars with a rubber sealing ring. Haven't had a problem since. Glass jars may work in a very dark storage area but I would be very hesitant to use clear glass where UV rays can modify the contents.


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linda Participating Member Offline Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2018	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #35 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 4:20pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Aug 21^st, 2018 at 7:54pm: Your saying that the round, black plastic bottle's lid rusted out? Not the older type, metal can? Frank You're right. something in the cabinet obviously contaminated the metal of the lids. Had them rusted thru. I thought the powder might be contaminated and wrote IMR, gave them the lot number and all the information. Been waiting for 2 years on an answer from them, nothing yet. I'd like to put the powder back into the original containers but need lids. Haven't been able to find replacement lids and thought I'd try here.


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linda Participating Member Offline Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2018	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #36 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Aug 21^st, 2018 at 11:22pm: Who cares that the posted problem was with tin lids? If those suckers rusted, something inside changed too. He needs to determine if the powder's containers are worth putting new caps on or just tossing the contents on the lawn. Get real, John's plastic cap and his tinfoil one don't make an answer to the question. And, he needs to find a much better place to store his powder, no matter the type of lids he ends up with. Linda, you listening? I ran a test on the "contaminated" powder compared to new powder of a different lot. My loading is 14.2 grains with each loading measured on a Hornady electronic scale. Five test cartridges of the old powder five of the new powder. All 10 samples ran between 1460 and 1495 fps. I did that yesterday. The powder smells good, looks good. I just hate to throw that 100 dollars worth of powder when all points to good. I still have no idea what caused the problem. I'm hoping it doesn't happen again. Kind of like walking on thin ice.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3964 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #37 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	Well, that was my main point- determining if it was worth saving. Now, you need to find the improved method of storing. Hell, put it under your hanging clothes in the hall closet if you can't find a better place than it was. If it came to it, tossing a hundred bucks worth of questionable powder out, or taking a chance of hurting yourself, what would you have done? Two years? And you just tested it?- what have you been storing it in all that time?


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linda Participating Member Offline Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2018	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #38 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	My 4227 used to be kept on the top row of the left hand cabinet in the pictures. Thats where it was when it got contaminated. Now it is on the very top right of the cabinets. And not on the inside anymore. And notice the lids are red and metal.


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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 873 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #39 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 5:27pm	Print Post
	The picture shows other IMR powders next to the 4227 canisters. Does any of those have rusty lids as well or only the 4227?


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3964 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #40 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Premod's question is a good one- and, I would have asked it as well, since the appearance of the general layout is about like I've seen in other places. Even if you live in a swamp, the rest ought to have had the same problem it would seem to me (us?).


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linda Participating Member Offline Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2018	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #41 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	There were other cans of powder with metal lids that were rusted. I remember one 1 pound can of 335 and a few others. There were some 223 brass cartridges that were freshly tumbled and shiny that were etched and looked almost like they were sandblasted. I remember them because they are still in the cabinet in the lower left bottom shelf in a loading tray. You can see them in the picture. Something happened in that room and I just hope it doesn't happen again. I've been keeping that powder in Chrystal Light plastic containers that I have sealed tight with heavy tape at the lid.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1303 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #42 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	And really it shouldn't be that hard to figure if it came from outside in, or inside out. Maybe a pic if you still have a lid. Either way, there should have been a plastic paper seal glued to the top of the jug. If that seal was not broken, the powder should be fine and it was rusting outside in. You don't need a lid until that seal is removed.


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linda Participating Member Offline Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2018	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #43 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	And those powders on the top of the cabinet are later purchases. There were some other metal cans and cans with metal lids that were on the middle shelf that weren't affected. The contamination was restricted to the top inside shelf of the left cabinet and that was where the 4227 and the 335 and some older powder that I don't remember the makes of now.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3964 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: IMR 4227 Reply #44 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 7:11pm	Print Post
	Well, I hope it never happens again. Frickin' mysterious. Hope it all works out fer ya. Be safe. As an extra measure, I'd clean that cabinet and dry it completely before returning things to it. And, toss that nasty brass and stuff like that out. Again, be safe.


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