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Reply #90 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:25pm
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JLouis wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 12:59pm:
Frank so are you now saying that any of the Sniper Scopes or faithful reproductions of those used in World 1 should be legal to use?


With very few exceptions, the US "sniper scopes" of WWI consisted only of the Army's Warner & Swazy prismatics (which most users hated when they were newly issued) & USMC's Win. A5s in Mann-Niedner mounts, which already satisfy the rules.  Late in the war, the Army obtained its own A5s in standard mounts.
  
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Reply #91 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:36pm
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Totally agree Joe all this talk is about trying to fix an issue that doesn't exist. The rules are clear enough for anyone to understand and all three organizations pretty much all reading the same. The only difference I found is the ASSRA allows mounts with clicks on tube sights where the ISSA does not in the Traditional Class. 

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Reply #92 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:56pm
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Westerner you hit the nail squarely on the head there is no problem needing to be fixed. If someone feels by using a scope they  are no longer competing against the DOG's they can use Irons in the Anysight match and why it's called Anysight.
  

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Reply #93 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 3:05pm
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Westerner you brought up a valid point I couldn't find their variety of targets on their Web site?
  

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Reply #94 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 3:07pm
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I don't quite understand the resistance to this, other than JL's need to be against anything that I bring up, no matter what it is. 

If the class was instituted to make everything thing the same as the ODG's shot, why the resistance to actually doing that? At the time, they let people use something of a later date, because earlier type equipment was not available. Now it is so, please tell me why anyone shouldn't shoot ODG equipment, in a ODG class, that was originally set up to use that equipment? Why should we use equipment of a later date, if it doesn't comply with the original intent? The rules made exceptions, because there was a reason to make them, at that time and thought's exceptions are no longer needed.

I'm not trying to sell anything, I don't have anything to gain and I would be just as happy to make it a iron sight only class, since most shoot IS, in those days, anyway.

To say just shut up and leave the rules be, is ok, I guess but, they do not comply with what was stated as the original intent.

You could make it the "ODG's, Sorta Look Alike Class", too Smiley

I would like comments addressed to the second paragraph above, please. Not just that the rule allows exceptions.

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Reply #95 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 3:30pm
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It's hard for a match shooter to give up his advantages even if perceived. Another is the cost factor, why pay DZ $1100 for a lesser scope when everybody is doing OK with their cheaper Lymans and Unertls. 

For my money set a date (1917) ,anything available to the public at large before that date and any reasonable facsimile thereof is legal for the big prizes at the shoot. Why have a class with low standards?
  
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Reply #96 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 3:38pm
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I don't get any of this old dead guy stuff Westerner apparently just one individual trying to paddle up stream while everyone else is having a real enjoyable time floating down stream. 
I do agree with your concern of not having ISSA 100yd. Iron Sight Targets never realized they did not exist and a realistic concern that does need to be addressed. One would tend to think they could be easily be included on the back side?
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Reply #97 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 5:42pm
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Frank,
  You seem anxious to shoot with the "old dead guys".
I hope they enjoy your company.
  

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Reply #98 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:04pm
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Jeff,
Thanks, for the encouragement. One way or the other, it won't be very long until I have that opportunity.

Frank
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Reply #99 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:18pm
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Quoted from the rules:

Competition in this class is to encourage modern day riflemen to match or exceed the records set by first generation Schuetzen competitors (ODG's). In this way, old-time methods and techniques are preserved and passed on.

ASSRA, at some point, had some respect for them.

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Reply #100 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:31pm
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They still do! always have! and it is only you! who just cannot grasp their below mission statement or the rules.

The American Single Shot Rifle Association (ASSRA) was founded in 1948 as an organization that promotes the responsible use, study and preservation of single-shot rifles. These include original and reproduction arms from the 19th and early 20th centuries as well as rifles of more current design. The ASSRA encourages and coordinates research into the history and lore of single shot rifles to disseminate such knowledge for mutual benefit. This is in part made possible by the vast archives maintained by the ASSRA. The ASSRA sanctions events that hold members to high standards of ethical conduct, promote genuine friendliness, tolerance and mutual respect for each other.
  

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Reply #101 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:39pm
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Sorry JL,
The Traditional rules are in ADDITION to that.

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Reply #102 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:54pm
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They sure are Frank and they are also very clear on what is acceptable and what is not and it all reverts back to their Mission Statement. You mimic those who pull out one verse out of the Bible to change it's context to fit their own personal needs or to fit their own personal agenda.

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Reply #103 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:20pm
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Is it too late for me to withdraw the question?
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Reply #104 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:26pm
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