JLouis wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 7:54pm:

Ok JL,
Lets read the rules and comments, in the rules:
Section 1.30: Traditional Rifle Rules
Any single shot rifle, foreign or domestic, manufactured prior to 1917. Reproductions of pre-1917 patents are allowed. Examples of traditional actions include, but are not limited to, the Ballard, Remington, Sharps, Stevens, Bullard, Maynard, Sharps-Borchardt, Remington-Hepburn, Winchester, Farrow, and Wesson. Action types that do not meet the pre-1917 requirement include, but are not limited to, the Ruger, Peregrine, Miller, Falling Block Works, Hall, modern Winchester, or similar Browning and Thompson/Center. Rifles must be pre-approved by the Schuetzenmeister to qualify for Traditional class. Rifles that do not meet the Traditional Class requirements will be eligible for competition in Unlimited Class.
Technology cutoff of circa 1917 as regards patents, sights, cartridges, loading techniques, and general configuration of the Schuetzen rifle. No modern block-style or wide-bottom forearms. Old-style muzzle rest “feet” are allowed, but must be attached to the barrel. No modern Olympic-style sights, rear iron sight diopters, adjustable butt plates, plastic sight inserts, or “Bloop tubes”. No machine rests. (For clarification a machine rest is any one-piece rest that supports the rifle at two points and allows the rifle to be mechanically adjusted, incrementally, front and back, for windage and elevation.)
Any pre-1917 externally adjusted telescopic sight or faithful reproductions thereof. Lyman, Unertl, Fecker, and Litchert scopes are specifically allowed. Click adjustment allowed only on those iron sights having this feature prior to 1917, or faithful reproductions of those sights. (An example of a click-adjustable iron sight available prior to 1917 is the Lyman 103, marketed in 1915) An iris adjustable rear sight (such as a Merit Disk) is allowed.

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Lyman, Unertl, Fecker, and Litchert scopes are specifically allowed. Click adjustment allowed only on those iron sights having this feature prior to 1917, or faithful reproductions of those sights.

Does that mean no click adjustable mounts on the Lyman, Unertl, Fecker, and Litchert scopes that are specifically allowed? Or, is the click restriction on iron sights?

I'm sure that those members lucky enough to own a pair of Pope mounts will answer this definitively; but based on very fine photos of the mounts dismounted, I'd guess that they did not have clicks.

Bill Lawrence

I don’t have a dog in this fight but.

Advantage to clicks in short timed relays strapped into a coat and sling, or if they were allowed, prone with cross sticks, you can make small changes by feel. No need to come out of position.

  Anything else they are a liability.  Good percentage of scopes or iron sights that click will not repeat reliably. Shooters that are click counters & don’t read the scopes dial very often make major setting mistakes. 

Boats

I wasn't trying to make an exception to anything Frank. I am more than happy with the scope rules just as they are it is you who has an issue with them not meeting the criteria of the dead old guys and the one seeking change not me. I don't have an issue with any of the rules as far as that goes they have been and still are just fine the way that they are. 

JLouis

JLouis wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 12:08pm:


Great JL,
Now that's how the conversation should go

My only issue, is that the present rules don't go with the pre WWI criteria and there are scopes, now available, that do, that's all. I believe that Randy feels the same.

Randy and I have brought this up, in the past, also. I can't change the rules, only the governing body's can. I think that's all that is being ask here is for the governing body's, to take a serious look at it.

There is this scope that is fairly priced.

Frank

Nice looking scope at a fair price Frank. 

JLouis

those mva scopes are only 5 x  probably not competitive in asra   art