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Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:37pm
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I have been looking for another mold for my Uberti 32-20. I found this SWC mold but not sure if it will work with the Unertl throat.

Any opinions?
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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:16pm
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I was going to add a little more info. The gun has 30" bbl so the large lube grove is a plus. 

Just shooting off hand @50yds so no concern about BC. Flat point is a plus. Puts a nice clean hole in target.

Bullet is short so it should stabilize in the Unertl. I kind of like the extra weight to keep velocity down a little.
  
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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #2 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:51am
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I have had good luck /accuracy with the Lyman 311316,
a RN/flat nose gas check bullet, as well as its original plain base bullet, the Lyman 3118 or now called the 311008
These are nominal 115 gr bullet originally designed for the 
32-20
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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #3 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:51am
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If it's a 130 gr. mold, I'd check the Uberti's twist rate before ordering it. Most factory .32-20 barrels like a lighter 115 gr. bullet better.
  

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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #4 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:27pm
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As you note, a short 130gr bullet may group well in your rifle. I use a LBT 135gr flat nose GC bullet in my original Win LW with 0.313 bore and it is giving me less than 2,0" 3-shot groups at 100yds. Velocity is in high 1400s fps and I am not very far along in looking for smaller groups. Best grouping bullet so far is Hornady 100gr XTP 0,312" pistol bullet at 1500fps that often gives "one-ragged-hole + "flyer" at 100yds. Powder in both loads is 4227 in minimum amounts for High Velocity loads. Chamber pressure reported in Lyman 47th is about 25.000 CUP for 135gr load (starter load for 30 Carbine). 

In my 110 year old rifle with eroded first cms of bore, no plain base cast bullets do better than 1,0" 5-shot groups at 50 yds. You should not have this problem with new bore.

I also see good reports for LBT flat nose GC 125gr bullets and Ideal 311316 GC (GC version of 311008).
  
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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #5 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:45pm
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So far my gun favors .313 bullets so Lyman molds are out. Accurrate molds have a couple designs I like but the are around 110gr.

I have not heard any good things about recent LBT molds. Any advice on current LBT  quality.

Is the SWC bullet workable or is it just for revolvers?
  
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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #6 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:22pm
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Here is link to 125 gr LBT, same as 135 gr in design.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) Both LBT bullets are for rifles and revolvers. Nearly all 32-20 bullets currently are flat nosed to be safe in tube magazine rifles and to take up minimal powder space in revolvers. They are excellent hunting bullets and, as you note, make neat holes in paper.

You can see other good 32-20 bullets on this site. I know nothing of LBT moulds but, ones Montana Bullets uses give excellent bullets. I do not cast bullets.

Usually hear good thing about Saeco moulds and bullets cast from them. Saeco 322 is excellent 120 gr 32-20 bullet, very similar to Ideal 311008.

Many years ago there were several 110-120 soft point mantled bullets for use in single shot and turnbolt 32-20 rifles and revolvers. None available today that I know of. Some folks have had custom moulds made based on 30 Carbine 0.309 130 grain cast bullet.
  
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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #7 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:13pm
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The mold in the OP looks like a Keith style bullet. I have not, nor has another shooter I know, had any luck shooting this style of bullet in a rifle. I have the Saeco 115 (?) gr. bullet which shoots pretty well in my 16" twist Douglas barrel. I don't know why we can't get the Keith style bullets to shoot. Could be a personal problem.

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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #8 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:33pm
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JS47 wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
The mold in the OP looks like a Keith style bullet. I have not, nor has another shooter I know, had any luck shooting this style of bullet in a rifle. I have the Saeco 115 (?) gr. bullet which shoots pretty well in my 16" twist Douglas barrel. I don't know why we can't get the Keith style bullets to shoot. Could be a personal problem.

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This is the info I was looking for. I'm betting the hard edge of SWC bullets are not lined up perfectly when they enter the throat.

I'm going to bite the bullet (pun intended) and spend the money for a custom mold.

The 1/20 twist puts a real constraint on mold selection. LBT Will take a chamber cast. I'm going to try one of there 125he bullets. I like the flat point to get more weight in the same length and punch nice holes in targets. I just dont need the benefits of RN bullets. Just need to decide on PB or GC now.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:15am
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An approach some shooters use is to order 100 each of best expected candidate bullets from custom casters, such as Montana Bullet, and try each in their rifles. Could give good basis for selecting which expensive custom mould you buy.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:03pm
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Gard,
Before you spend 180 on a custom mold,
I suggest you take a look at: 
1. the NOE website -they list "314" molds, and for example you can get a 122 gr RNFN mold, two cav, PB and GC for something like $79. Its patterned after the Lyman 311008
which was an original design for the 32-20. Casts at .314"
right where you want.   
OR
2. Accurate molds website shows many "31 cal" mold and 32 cal molds, too, for reasonable prices

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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #11 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:43pm
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The old Ideal/Lyman #313445 semi-wadcutter made for the 32 S&W Long works well in some of my 32-20 rifles, but may not in your particular rifle.
My particular mould casts at 0.314" and weighs in at 109gr unlubed, even though some of the Lyman manuals show it to be a 95gr bullet.
Most of the moulds I've had for the 32 S&W Long dropped in the 0.313-0.314" range. 
My various WRA and Ideal/Lyman moulds for the #3118, and others, also vary from the listed "Book" weights as well.
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Re: Mold for Uberti 32-20. Will this work?
Reply #12 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:26pm
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I have a drawer full of NOE and Accurrate molds. I love them both. I have a NOE mold that I'm shooting in the 32-20. I bought a 2 cavity PB and GC mold so I would just deal with 1 cavity for accurracy. I'm worried that it does not carry enough lube for the 30" bbl. With the limited testing accuracy was pretty good with no leading but I'm not getting any lube at the muzzle. Neither NOE or Accurrate make a 125ish bullet that is short enough for the 1/20 twist.

I really like that Accurate will do a mold with different bullets in each cavity. This would give you a single cavity to work on accuracy.

I'm wanting more lube and a little more weight to keep the velocity on the Low side. I like the 125gr LBT bullet for these reasons.

Here is a pic of the bullets im shooting now.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:44pm
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Gard,
If you are not getting any leading and getting good accuracy, looks like you DO 
have enough lube for your 30" barrel..
As long as you do not load them to hot....
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Reply #14 - Jul 13th, 2018 at 5:31pm
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Accuracy was pretty good but definitely has room for improvement. I offered 1k Rainier .312 plated 100gr8 pistol bullets. I'm hoping they shoot accurratly! Maybe they will smooth out the barrel A little. It will give me some time to get a mold in.

I'm thinking about trying some powder coated bullets.
  
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