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Jun 17th, 2018 at 4:21pm
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Posted this on another question about the 25-20 SS. Howdy all. I know this is an older post but I just acquired a Stevens 44 in 25-20 SS. Got all the goodies to reload and some good starting loads. My question is using smokeless powder do you use something to hold the powder in place when breach seating? What about Black powder loads? I have Goex and Swiss 1.5

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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2018 at 4:56pm
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Well, I haven't ever loaded that round, nor any other of the small cases for breach seating. But, when I do it for the bigger cased .32-40 I do not use a wad with my chosen smokeless load. The thirteen or fourteen grain ranges are small enough to remain in the rear of the case while loading as long as the case remains level or slightly upward at the mouth.
As a guess, the 25-20 may not be so easy to stick in there without a wad (unless  you load with the muzzle pointing way upwards). 
Pretty much any usable black powder loading will be so full that a wad will almost become mandatory. 
No matter which method you end up trying, be real careful and hold the muzzle upwards if you ever want to remove an unfired case. If you don't you risk dumping powder into the action. It's a bummer if you do that (so far I've been lucky) Good luck, and I hope this is of some use to you.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 9:24am
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I use a cork wad. You can get all the cork you'll need for a couple of years at most office supply stores.

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Reply #3 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 1:19pm
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Thanks for the info
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 10:41pm
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I use a small ball of kapok in the neck to keep the powder in the case.

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Reply #5 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 11:45pm
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You might believe that but I don't. You have white hot gas rushing down the barrel at thousands of PSI at over a thousand feet per second and it couldn't push out a piece of cork almost too light to weigh? If the cork stopped moving then , at oh, 10,000 psi at 1500 degrees and 1000 feet per second the gas  just passed it by?
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 11:48pm
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You might believe that but I don't. You have white hot gas rushing down the barrel at thousands of PSI at over a thousand feet per second and it couldn't push out a piece of cork almost too light to weigh? If the cork stopped moving then , at oh, 10,000 psi at 1500 degrees and 1000 feet per second the gas  just passed it by?
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 11:48pm
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You might believe that but I don't. You have white hot gas rushing down the barrel at thousands of PSI at over a thousand feet per second and it couldn't push out a piece of cork almost too light to weigh? If the cork stopped moving then , at oh, 10,000 psi at 1500 degrees and 1000 feet per second the gas  just passed it by?
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 19th, 2018 at 1:37am
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I did find a .020 card wad turned sideways in one of my 38-55 cases after firing. The wad had been placed .200 over the powder.

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Reply #9 - Jun 19th, 2018 at 9:06am
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I have heard that too but in the 20 plus years I have used cork wads I have never had it happen to me. Maybe its because I don't seat at the mouth I use a little seater to push the wad down the neck to at least the bottom of the neck or to max .100" off the powder.

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Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2018 at 10:19am
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I have found cork wads about 8"  down the barrel from the chamber in 2 different 32-40 barrels several times.  It does not sound reasonable to me either but it happened.  So for 32-40 I switched to foam wads.
I have never found a cork wad in my 32 RKS or 25-21 or 25-20 Win barrels. 
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Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2018 at 12:46pm
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I used to seat .030 Vegetable fiber wads behind the base of the bullet in my 32-40 and have encountered the same so I quit using them. When doing the same with 1/16 cork wads if it occurred I was not aware of it. But I also found the cheap 3/32 cork to be a problem. The 1/16 cork if put on the end of a tooth pick and set on fire would turn to ash very quickly but not so with the 3/32 cork. It is my belief the 1/16 cork would be completely turned to ash before exiting the barrel but the 3/32 would remain unburned and could be found left in the barrel the same as the VFiber. If one looks closely at the quality of the cork they are not the same nor is the price with the 1/16 costing substantially more and of a much higher quality. 

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Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2018 at 1:40pm
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My question is using smokeless powder do you use something to hold the powder in place when breach seating? What about Black powder loads? I have Goex and Swiss 1.5
For both smokeless and black powder loads, might recommend a 'pinch of cotton' from a cotton ball.  The cotton self ignites completely at 400  - 420 degrees Fahrenheit way below the ignition  temperature of both smokeless & black powder.  Pure felt self ignites at the same temperature
Works for me
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Reply #13 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 8:40pm
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My thanks again. Goin for a breech setter of some kind. First I'll try the dowel in a case.
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