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Re: Leading problems
Reply #15 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 11:02pm
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Javelina lube is hard to come by. The NRA 50/50 formula has always worked well for me when using smokeless powder over a wide variety of velocities. The last few years I've been using White Label 50/50. When I do experience leading it's usually when I'm using a too fast powder. Unique and a hard alloy containing antimony is a combination that has usually produced leading in my experience. That's always been frustrating since Unique is one of my favorite powders and wheel weights have been cheap.

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Reply #16 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 5:49pm
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What are you calling leading? My 32-40 shaves small slivers of lead off the bullet when breach seated. After 20 or 30 shots I will run a dry patch from the breach to the muzzle and the small slivers can be seen in a bright light. I do not think of this as leading the bore. The accuracy of my rifle will shoot with the best of them with these small slivers being left behind. What I call leading the bore usually starts at the muzzle and builds up towards the breach and is caused by HOT gasses  blowing past the bullet and acting like a cutting torch. As the bullet travels down the bore the gas pressures start to drop and cool and lead is deposited in the bore. Another cause of leading is failure of the bullet lube. 
Take a naked lead bullet and rub the nose across a piece of white paper and it will leave a lead smear. Take the same lead bullet and rub it across a piece of wax paper and no mark.

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Reply #17 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 6:14pm
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What some consider to be leading found on a cleaning patch by just looking at it is more times than not just carbon. Rub what you are seeing on your patch between your fingers while still remaining on the patch and if it goes away it is not lead but only carbon as they both look the same.

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Reply #18 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 7:40pm
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I wasn't trying to say the thing was going to shoot well, or that it woudn't lead being oversized. I was just pointing out that by the time it's actually breech seated  in the barrel it's like it has been sized to fit that barrel. Thus, no undue pressure sign would occur from the size of a lead slug. If the pressure sign he had (blowing primers) happened it was because of something besides sizing. Too much fast powder? Wrong primer? Something else?
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 8:11pm
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Would tend to agree if the bullet is not overly too hard and to the point of acting more like an obstruction than a safely shootable bullet and it can become a fine line. Even more so if one is not overly cautious by just basing it on personal opinion's and not on well known facts.

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Re: Leading problems
Reply #20 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 9:44am
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I think what is going on is the misuse of terms. I think he is measuring the base of the bullet and then to the bottom of the groove that the rifling leaves in the seated slug that is groove diameter.

Bore diameter is the measurement to the bottom of the rifling on a seated slug that is the bore of the gun.
The groove diameter is the measurement of the raised portion of the bullet. 

The Base band of your bullet should be .001” to .002” larger than the largest measurement of the seated slug.
Make sure that you can see where the slug has touched the throating all the way around before you measure.

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Re: Leading problems
Reply #21 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 11:01am
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A good way to check how your bullet fits the bore is to breech seat it, and then tap it back out and inspect it with a magnifier. If it has tails on the bullet from metal being displaced it will likely lead the bore. Those little tails will melt as the gun is fired, and deposit in the rifling.
  

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