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Leading problems
Jun 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm
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Trying to work up a load for my 32-40. I am breech seating and I am getting a lot of leading near the breech. What might be the problem?
  
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Re: Leading problems
Reply #1 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 4:07pm
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Sounds like the base band is not sealing and you are getting gas cutting.  Seat a bullet and then fire a primed case.  Knock out the bullet and if it has any dark marks around the base band you have a problem.  Try seating the bullet a bit deeper to see if that solves the problem. If not, you may need a better fitting bullet.
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Reply #2 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 4:27pm
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If the bullet properly fits the groove diameter, and the bore is in great shape, it shouldn't lead up. What is your bullet diameter vs. groove size?
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 7:03pm
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AC Gould provided very good info. I would just add try seating the bullet until it engraves just past the base or damn close to it.  Could also be your Lube what is it that you are currently using? 

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Re: Leading problems
Reply #4 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 8:22pm
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Smokeless Powder, Fast Burning, Hard Alloy? If that's your Load you are probably not "Bumping Up" your Bullet, especially if it's not big enough to begin with. Are you buying your Bullets from commercial supplier? If so many of them use a hard Alloy and some kind of very hard Lubricant. If you are casting, go to a soft alloy and some reasonable Lubricant. 50%
Bee's Wax and some kind of Tallow or at least Crisco with Black Powder. If that relieves the Leading than you have an idea of the route you need to go in. Try Seating a bullet in the throat and then look thru the Bore from the Chamber end at a strong light source. If the bullet is slightly undersize you will be able to see light around the base of the bullet. Black powder loading can often fix this if the Alloy is soft enough. But in truth you should look for a better fit bullet. HTH Regards,
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Reply #5 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 8:55pm
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First and foremost is after every cleaning session before you fire a round lube the barrel.
  
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Re: Leading problems
Reply #6 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 11:36am
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Thanks for all of the info. I am using DGL lube works well in my BPCR. The bull it base is .3215, grooves are 3.185. When breech seated the lands make the bullet nearly to the base of the bullet.
I will tr6 lubing before I start. When breech seated I see no light shinning through. I am using a 30-1 mix. Maybe I will give black a try. This is my first experiment with smokeless.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 12:09pm
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It is not untypical to have a lube that works with BP not to work at all with smokless and based on your bullet size I tend to believe this is your problem. If you can get your hands on Javelina Schuetzen Lube I would highly recommend you doing so and CPA used to keep in stock but I am also not sure if they still are doing so. 

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Reply #8 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 1:33pm
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J Louis, it just so happens I have some and Iwill give it a try. Thanks, jim
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 3:26pm
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JWL
You have had a lot of good info thrown at you about your leading issue. Some or all of it you should find useful. From what info you have stated, you are doing things about right. There are however a couple pieces of data that may help analyze the problem.
-What powder and charge are you using? 
-What bullet?
Your bullet is .003 over groove diameter that may be part of the problem. You might consider getting a Lee .322 push-through sizing die to take a .001 off your bullet diameter. Those Lee push-through dies work well with tapered bullets (if that's what you have) I've used them for years.
One other thing to consider. Pan lube your bullets if you are not already doing so. Be sure to use a double boiler to melt lube. Take to heart, J Lous' recommendation to use Javelina Schuetzen Lube, it's one of the best all time Schuetzen lubes.
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Reply #10 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:57pm
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Randy I think it is .030 from his comment! If so as Joe stated way to big. I would think he needs a .319 bullet. That said I would expect some pressure signs as well.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 6:19pm
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If he's already shoved it into the barrel, whether it was too big or not, it's a fit to the barrel at that point. Pressure signs wouldn't occur any more than with another bullet.
I think the lube may be a problem, but I'd harden up the alloy just a little, too. 
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 6:50pm
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If it were to be actually .030 larger I would be quite surprised to see him even be able to breech seat it without it being a bit of a struggle. And if so while also seating it just short of engraving all the way through the base as noted it would also leave one hell of a fin hanging off the base of the bullet of which was not mentioned. If 2 to 3 thous. over groove I have found it to shoot allot better for me and have found 3 to 4 the better but only at the base. I think the reason why is it helps to promote a more consistent power burn and for it to also take place more consistently in the same area in the barrel based solely on my own long term personal experience. I was also one who openly stated that it should be groove, or a 1/2 to 1 thous. over before knowing better and then realizing what actually worked the best for my own personal results and the additional accuracy I then founding from it. 

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Reply #13 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 7:06pm
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my math comes up at three thou. that's .003. missing something?
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 9:53pm
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It all just boils down to what each individual or individual rifle likes the best and the later being the more important. What works best for one seldom works just as good for another. 

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