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Loading/shooting old brass
Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:38pm
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In my Ballard .25-25 Stevens, I have been using the RCM turned cases with good results.  I bought a quantity of original WRA marked .25-25 brass.  Of the 40 so cases, I found two with the bottom of primer pocket gone.  Started me thinking perhaps mercuric primers had been fired.  I annealed all the other cases.  There is no green colored corrosion, however, some cases have copper colored splotches in places..others are nice clean brass.  When annealing, when the flame hit the copper colored areas, a greenish colored flame was seen.  I am wondering if cases are starting to de-laminate or some type of corrosion causing copper to leach out of brass alloy?  I am thinking it might not be wise to shoot those cases..but what about the clean ones?  Since the Ballard is a cast action, I am only using straight real black (Swiss & Olde Eynsford).  What do you guys think?  Is it worth the risk using these old cases..or should I stick with the modern turned RCM?  Thanks!
  
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Re: Loading/shooting old brass
Reply #1 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:21pm
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I have a .28-30 on a Stevens 44.  I have shot original UMC cases for years with no problems.  Bit I think they were always decapped right after firing, long before I got them in 1967.

OTOH, I have two boxes of new primed empties (one box each of Winchester & Remington) for my Stevens 25-20SS.  I have been wary of them.  Since I have some Jamison brass, I will continue to be wary.

The corrosion of the primer pockets bothers me.  Maybe some digging into very old handloading books is in order.  Grant shot a lot using old cases.  Did he write about them?  Sharpe has written about using old cases & mercuric primers, but it would take me a day or more to track that down.

How about looking up mercuric primers & reloading in Earl Narramore's "Principles and Practices of Loading Ammunition"?
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Reply #2 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:50pm
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Some common Cu compounds turn flames green, which is a standard flame test for Cu, although numerous other chemicals can also give green flames.

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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 8:39pm
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Mercuric Primers do not damage cases unless they are fired. The Mercury contaminant gets imbedded in the Brass. When I have come into original old time era either Primed of even Loaded but not fired I have decapped the Brass and disassembled the Loaded stuff and Boiled it out. Have used many old folded or Balloon Head formed cartridges with Black powder loading with no problems with case failure. It has been said in Phil Sharpe's  "Complete Guide to Hand loading" That Old Ammo treated this way will do well. A friend has a Case of UMC
45-70 Govt. Ammo and occasionally shoot's some of it for the fun of it in a Sharps Side Hammer conversion. This is original Factory UMC and he has only ever had a few misfires. HTH
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Reply #4 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 9:18pm
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In the big bend of Texas, copper ore is the mineral Malachite, a very green ore, occasionally found with Azurite, a silver ore in a pretty blue.  These are colorful rocks.  It looks like old brass sometimes tries to return to nature, but this is usually only superficial.  An old cartridge collector told me to just scrub it with a steel wire brush and most of the discoloration will wipe away.  If it doesn't clean up and leaves a deep corroded spot, then I might want a mild load for that one.  Color itself doesn't mean much, I shot dirty discolored 30-06 for years without problems.

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