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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: historic Stevens Reply #30 - Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	Frank, my Fecker is marked Cleveland on the tube, and mounts are not Fecker, but Winchester. I don't believe an early Fecker would have those mounts, and the tube should have the Cleveland address.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: historic Stevens Reply #31 - Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 6:04pm: I just did a Google search on the fellow that owned it. I got this about the very same rifle: RIA, the auction site marketed the gun on 6/12/08 (I don't know how to do links), and at that time it included a shooting box as well as the rifle. There is some info about the owner who worked for Stevens for a very long time. Apparently a fine shooter, he won a bunch of shooting matches and also had a pretty special collection of other guns. I wonder what became of the "kit" in the box? What, indeed! Hard to believe anyone with the dough to buy it in the RI auction would be so crazy as to separate the gun from the kit. Wonder if Merz knows anything about it.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: historic Stevens Reply #32 - Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 7:25pm: Frank, my Fecker is marked Cleveland on the tube, and mounts are not Fecker, but Winchester. I don't believe an early Fecker would have those mounts, and the tube should have the Cleveland address. Just checked one I have & it too has the Cleveland-marked mounts but a post-Cleveland tube. Only logical interpretation is that a quantity of mounts were produced & marked in Cleveland, then carried over to the new Pittsburgh facility and used until new Pittsburgh-marked mounts could be obtained.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: historic Stevens Reply #33 - Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	My tube has no marking on it, other than the the markings pictured. Here are the other picture of it. Clarence & Vall, what are your serial numbers? Frank

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: historic Stevens Reply #34 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 8:53am	Print Post
	Nice Gun You think Leroy would give me a family discount? 40 Rod AKA John Merz


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: historic Stevens Reply #35 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 9:19am	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 11:28pm: Clarence & Vall, what are your serial numbers? Frank #1414--and to further confuse the matter, it has the later style adjusting sleeve. However, this one was returned after its original construction to have a 1-1/8" objective installed, & so I assume that the "improved" sleeve was added at the same time. Whoever did this evidently acquired also one of the rarely seen wooden cases Fecker supplied when one was requested--not as nicely built as Lyman's cases, I must say, but adequate for the purpose.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: historic Stevens Reply #36 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 10:30am	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 11:28pm: My tube has no marking on it, other than the the markings pictured. Here are the other picture of it. Clarence & Vall, what are your serial numbers? Frank My Cleveland, Oh. marked scope is #825. It is the straight tube 8x with no belled objective.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3541 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: historic Stevens Reply #37 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	John, you get the family discount the same way I'll get a finder's fee. But, if you DO end up with it, can I just shoot it a little?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: historic Stevens Reply #38 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 6:04pm: I just did a Google search on the fellow that owned it. I got this about the very same rifle: RIA, the auction site marketed the gun on 6/12/08 (I don't know how to do links), and at that time it included a shooting box as well as the rifle. There is some info about the owner who worked for Stevens for a very long time. Apparently a fine shooter, he won a bunch of shooting matches and also had a pretty special collection of other guns. I wonder what became of the "kit" in the box? Price was lower ten years ago than Merz is asking- open to negotiation? Dunno, but even if he were, it's still outta my range. With all the other confusion about the Stevens guns, and on one that's clearly special construction, why the importance of that stamp on the frame that they so carefully hid? I also can't imagine anyone separating a shooting kit from a gun, but it's tough to say it can't or hasn't happened. Especially when dealer gets involved and they see dollar signs from somebody who offers big money for the shooter's kit.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: historic Stevens Reply #39 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 8:30pm	Print Post
	Decades ago I attended a sale where the auctioneer had separated a high-condition and -grade Maynard from its factory case with accessories And a user-assembled shooting kit. I and my two friends asked why and were told "I'll get more money that way." We argued his position, calmly I thought, but as others started to listen in, he had us removed from the site. Apparently, for some, greed has always been good. Bill Lawrence


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: historic Stevens Reply #40 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	Bill Lawrence wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 8:30pm: Decades ago I attended a sale where the auctioneer had separated a high-condition and -grade Maynard from its factory case with accessories And a user-assembled shooting kit. I and my two friends asked why and were told "I'll get more money that way." We argued his position, calmly I thought, but as others started to listen in, he had us removed from the site. Apparently, for some, greed has always been good. Bill Lawrence Me too Same reason. He thought the tools with a Pope rifle would bring more separately than all together. Fortunately I don't think the false muzzle will bring more separated. .

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n.r.davis Oldtimer Offline Posts: 578 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2015	Re: historic Stevens Reply #41 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	I am looking at the numbers and the Stevens name and it all looks like it was engraved. I don't know what was done by the factory back then but I would have thought that some of it would have been Roll Stamped. Can someone shed some light on what was done? Thanks, David


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: historic Stevens Reply #42 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:56pm	Print Post
	n.r.davis wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:52pm: I am looking at the numbers and the Stevens name and it all looks like it was engraved. I don't know what was done by the factory back then but I would have thought that some of it would have been Roll Stamped. Can someone shed some light on what was done? Thanks, David It's tough to compare a custom gun to what was done on factory standard models. I've often seen high end engraved guns get an engraved serial number and engraved markings when others were stamped. It's just another level of embellishment. And since the owner worked at Stevens when it was built, I'd guess he could easily get special features.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: historic Stevens Reply #43 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:56pm: It's tough to compare a custom gun to what was done on factory standard models. I've often seen high end engraved guns get an engraved serial number and engraved markings when others were stamped. It's just another level of embellishment. And since the owner worked at Stevens when it was built, I'd guess he could easily get special features. He sure 'nuff got what he wanted in the two main engraving subjects: the bulldog & horsehead, both highly unusual on guns. A bulldog breeder or fancier? Esp. unusual that horse is depicted wearing a halter--maybe suggesting an interest in racing? These are questions that anyone buying the gun from his family, if that's where it came from, should have had the brains to ask, if they weren't thinking only of the profit to be made by reselling them.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3541 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: historic Stevens Reply #44 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	The quality of the animals is what floored me. Most relief figures in steel don't get that finely done. Mint quality? You can sure tell it wowed me, because I usually just gloss over Stevens rifles. Hadda share that one here, though.


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