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Re: historic Stevens
Reply #15 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 9:32am
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frnkeore wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 9:19pm:


Also, that's a very nice first or second year Fecker.

Frank


Don't think it's nearly that early Frank without his Cleveland address? My early Fecker is marked Cleveland as all early ones were.
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:24am
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 9:32am:
frnkeore wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 9:19pm:


Also, that's a very nice first or second year Fecker.

Frank


Don't think it's nearly that early Frank without his Cleveland address? My early Fecker is marked Cleveland as all early ones were.


The Cleveland address was used until sometime after June of 1926, which was when Fecker took possession of the Brashear Optics plant in Pittsburgh & moved his operations there.  However, this scope is built with the "old style" parallax adjusting sleeve, which makes it look like one of the Cleveland-built scopes.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:32am
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westerner wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 11:24pm:

Looks like a custom rifle by a long time Stevens employee.  54 plate, Pope lever? 52 stock. Palm rest is mounted aft more than other factor rifles. #54 is wrong.
 


It's always wrong to try to affix regular catalog names or numbers on custom built guns; unless you think it proper to pound square pegs into round holes.
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 12:29pm
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I didn't look at every picture and didn't see a address on the mounts. I was going by the adjustment sleeve. This was my early Fecker, it did have the Cleveland address on the mounts.

As Redsetter alludes to, if the mounts don't have the Cleveland address, they may not be the ones that came with the scope.

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Reply #19 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 12:35pm
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I would say, after it's been examined here, that the rifle should be listed as a custom Stevens rifle (or maybe a 52), not a Model 54. I think for it to be a called a 54, it would need to have the straight grip, with the extra features.

But, the real determining factor, is WHAT is marked on the face of the frame! He doesn't show that.

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Reply #20 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:09pm
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When did Lyman make a "pope style Lyman folding tang sight" ?    Wink
  

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Reply #21 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:29pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 12:29pm:
I didn't look at every picture and didn't see a address on the mounts. I was going by the adjustment sleeve. This was my early Fecker, it did have the Cleveland address on the mounts.

As Redsetter alludes to, if the mounts don't have the Cleveland address, they may not be the ones that came with the scope.

Frank


Frank, the Cleveland address would be marked on the tube, not the mounts.  In fact, during the time he worked in Cleveland, he mostly used Stevens & Winchester mounts, or whatever a customer sent him. Not until 1925 did he get his own mounts into production.
  
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Reply #22 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:37pm
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BP wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:09pm:
When did Lyman make a "pope style Lyman folding tang sight" ?    Wink


A creative interpretation of the #47 windage stem--the square shape does make it look a little like a Pope.  You'd think Goyette would have chosen a Stevens sight, so this tang sight, like the scope, may be additions by subsequent owners. 
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:40pm
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westerner wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:15pm:
Several things wrong in the description. Another is "Helm type butt".

If you're looking for a certain model like a correct factory #52 it aint the one. Johnny Cash would appreciate it.


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Joe,

That description seems to contain a lot of the wording one sees contained in many evil-bay type descriptions.    Shocked


  

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Reply #24 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:46pm
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Redsetter wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:29pm:
frnkeore wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 12:29pm:
I didn't look at every picture and didn't see a address on the mounts. I was going by the adjustment sleeve. This was my early Fecker, it did have the Cleveland address on the mounts.

As Redsetter alludes to, if the mounts don't have the Cleveland address, they may not be the ones that came with the scope.

Frank


Frank, the Cleveland address would be marked on the tube, not the mounts.  In fact, during the time he worked in Cleveland, he mostly used Stevens & Winchester mounts, or whatever a customer sent him. Not until 1925 did he get his own mounts into production.

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My front mount was marked Cleveland.

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Reply #25 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 4:02pm
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BP wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:40pm:
That description seems to contain a lot of the wording one sees contained in many evil-bay type descriptions.   


Merz was probably skilled in such wording long before ebay was created.

But one thing he doesn't say much about is the evidence that the gun had once belonged to Goyette.   
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 4:15pm
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Remember, kids, this is Leroy Merz were dealing with here.  And aside from being at least a hunnert-n-lebenty-seven years old, like that other Minnesota boy, the one who specializes in single shots but too often seems to check for condition through very dark rose-colored glasses, Leroy's object is to sell guns, and let's not allow facts to get in the way of that.

But if you look at their sites, eyebrow-raising prices aside, both keep too many guns for longer than is good for business.  Maybe there's not so many deep-pocket yokels out there after all.

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Reply #27 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 4:26pm
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As Frank already mentioned, a picture of the markings stamped on the face of the frame should be provided.

Looking at the 4th picture that shows the Lyman #47 stem (or possibly Lyman 52A sight if purchased as a complete tang sight), the front tang sight mounting screw slot looks buggered (more so than other screw slots) as if the sight has been on and off a number of times, or switched over from other Stevens rifles.

  

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Reply #28 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:17pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 4:15pm:
\And aside from being at least a hunnert-n-lebenty-seven years old


Was wondering myself if there could be a "Junior" involved who was masquerading as "the original." 

Must say, however, that Merz can be considered "Honest Abe," or young George Washington holding the hatchet, compared to that "other" guy.
  
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Reply #29 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 6:04pm
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I just did a Google search on the fellow that owned it. I got this about the very same rifle: RIA, the auction site marketed the gun on 6/12/08 (I don't know how to do links), and at that time it included a shooting box as well as the rifle. There is some info about the owner who worked for Stevens for a very long time. Apparently a fine shooter, he won a bunch of shooting matches and also had a pretty special collection of other guns. 
I wonder what became of the "kit" in the box? Price was lower ten years ago than Merz is asking- open to negotiation? Dunno, but even if he were, it's still outta my range. 
With all the other confusion about the Stevens guns, and on one that's clearly special construction, why the importance of that stamp on the frame that they so carefully hid?
  
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