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Reply #15 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 8:34pm
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The BACo mould I'm using is number JIM409400M4
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Reply #16 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:58am
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I'm looking at building my daughter a bp rifle and the 40-60 Maynard looks like a good one without beating her up.  This will be a gong rifle that I'd like to keep at around 10 to 10 1/2 lbs.  What is the length of the case that is used today?  Is this basically a shortened 40-70 SS?  What bullet would you recommend that would load just touching the lands and give capacity of about 54-55 gr of 1-1/2 Swiss. Not looking at long bullets or a fast twist. 400 grs or under. Thanks for helping with all the questions. 
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Reply #17 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 1:48pm
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Yes it is a shortened .40-70 Straight Sharps.

I use .40-70 SSA dies when I fabricate my cases from .30-40 Krag cases to produce a case that is supposed to be 2.2 inches long.
I slowly pull out the case mouths with a .32, a .35, a 38 and 40 expander button and then size with the .40-70 SS FL die before fire forming.
Yes I anneal the cases first.
You can also use .303 British cases but they end up being about 2.1" long but these shorter cases work just as well.

I use 49.7 to 52.7 grains of Swiss FFFg and compress about .230" using a .060" vegetable wad - only front wiping band exposed.

Best to use the heavier powder load to go past 500 yards.

I use a 427 grain Paul Jones Creedmore bullet (1.372 inches long) with 1 MOA accuracy to 880 yards in my CPA rifle with a 1:16 twist Douglas barrel so if you use a slightly shorter bullet you should be able to get more powder into her, or else use a tapered bullet to seat it out further.
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Reply #18 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 8:47pm
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The case length is 2.20" and is easily formed from 30/40 Krag brass. Hornady is now supplying Krag brass and Baco uses it stretched to 2.5" for their 40/70 SS. You can easily get 54/55 grains of powder with a 400 grain bullet. The Saeco 740 is a good bullet for that caliber. 

Another cartridge to consider is the 40/50 Sharps straight. It is basically the same case but only 1.87" long. with a 16" twist it is adequate for BPCR silhouette. You can get about 45 grains of powder with a 400 grain bullet. The Saeco 640 is a good lighter bullet for this case at about 370 grains. Recoil is quite manageable in a 10 lb rifle. 

One possibility would be to start her with the 40/50 and as she grows into it or gets accustomed to it then lengthen the chamber to the 40/60. You'll get the best of both worlds.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 9:40am
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But, of course, you aren't really shooting a 40-60 Maynard here folks.  The 40-60 Maynard uses a .417 bullet and everyone is using a .408 bullet.  Fact is, what people call the 40-60 Maynard is really the long version of the 40-Krag that was developed in the 1960s or '70's, maybe earlier.  Dick Hoch built me a 40-Krag on a Ruger #3 in the late 1970's.  I was showing that rifle around one year at the Virginia City shoot in the 1980s.  Next thing I knew Steve Garbe was winning matches with the 40-Krag re-named as the vintage 40-60 Maynard.

Just a bit of trivia for whatever it might be worth.  It is an excellent cartridge and I wish I still had the Ruger!

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Reply #20 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 10:40am
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George,
Indeed COW lists a 417  BULLET for the 40-60 Maynard.
That does not say what the bore and groove dimensions
were on the RIFLES.
Curious, did you get any dimensions off a Maynard RIFLE
bore and groove?
COW lists Many of the other 40s with a 0.403 BULLET diameter.  And many of the rifles for these ctges have
been measured at much larger.  Old Days they depended on bump up.  Another example, if a person loaded a 38-55
with a bullet such that it would chamber in a typical
old Win or Marlin, the (modern harder) bullet would be too small for the groove diameters that are anywhere up to 
0.383" In My Experience.
Hence he common rules that allow some variance in 
bore/groove, case dimensions to facilitate available 
brass, and available barrels
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Reply #21 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 4:05pm
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Nope, not measured in a Maynard.  I got that number from Cartridges of the World.  Got to thinking;    Dick Hoch made my barrel but as a 30-40.  Then I had Dave Fansler (who took over from Hoch) bore it out to 40 caliber.  He called it the "40-Krag."  Apparently that is an old cartridge and there were two versions, one cut off at the shoulder, the other full length.   As I remember it, I used a .403 bullet in that rifle.  After I sold the rifle I had the mould opened up to .408 for use in a 40-70 BN.

Interestingly, I think Cartridges of the world says the 40-70 Sharps straight used a .403 bullet too.  I have an original Sharps and the groove diameter is .415.  I just ordered a grease groove mould for it.  Most of those bullets would drop through the barrel even with the paper patch and relied on the powder to bump them up.  Good way to handle the fouling.

It's all a word game -  - kind of like using a 550 grain bullet in the 45-90 which was the 45-2 4/10 Sharps.  The 45-90 was originally an "express" round shooting a light (300 grain +/-) bullet and having a 1:24 or 26 twist.  Oh well, does it really matter?

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Reply #22 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 8:48pm
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Actually the 1873 40/60 Maynard cartridge used .423"-.424" diameter bullets and the 1882 version used .416"-.417" diameter bullets.  I'm still going top call mine a 40/60 Maynard even if it uses .408" bullets. Some calibers are way off the actual bullet diameters of the cartridge. How did a cartridge shooting .428"-.429" bullets get called the 44 WCF, or the 38 WCF shooting 40 caliber bullets?
  
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Reply #23 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 1:57pm
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We've been out of town for the holidays, but now that I'm back home one of my New Years resolutions is to finally slug the barrels on all of my original Maynards (two of which are .40-60 Maynard thick rim 1873 models with another .40-70 thick rim on the horizon that I am hoping to buy).  It may well be that all of my current .40 calibre "greaser" moulds will be too small to shoot well in either of them if the bores really are as large as .417" to .424".  The plan is to get a proper paper patch bullet mould from Red River Rick out in Winnipeg and shoot those instead of "greasers".
Too many project guns and not enough time to play with them all!
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Reply #24 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:10pm
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It would be worth the time to try and contact Michael Rix ( Chills Wills ) on the Cast Bullets forum.   He has set some NRA records, I believe using the .40-60 Maynard.

My .40's are .40-65's and I can at least confirm that the BACO 4094000M4 and Saeco #740 are excellent bullets if they fit your rifle's barrel & chamber.      
   
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Reply #25 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:32pm
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I've got 2 40-60 Maynards , a CPA and a Browning BPCR and a saeco 740 that weighs 410 or a BACO395 grain creedmoor wil work fine and give good accuracy.
  
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Reply #26 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 8:02pm
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The last lot of brass I ordered was formed from .303 British and required a little bit of turning to fit my chamber, this was obtained INDIRECTLY from BACO. The first lot I got was formed from 30/40 Krag brass and went straight in no problems.
As .303 brass is cheap and plentiful here in OZ  I will re form my next lot from .303 and save myself the importation problems.
I have a 40/65 as well and I found that the 40/60 was an easier cartridge to get to shoot well than the 40/65, but again 45/70 brass is cheap and easy to find here and easier to form into 40/65.   
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Reply #27 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 7:03am
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I just bought 200 rds of Captech 30-40 Krag brass and it looks like nice stuff but the rims measure about .060".  My reloading manual says it should be .064".  Does anybody have the new Hornady Krag brass that could measure a couple of rims for me.
Since this rifle hasn't been barreled yet, I could have the gunsmith set the rim for the Captech brass but was wondering if I should look for brass with a thicker rim.
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 9:58am
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I measured some Hornady Krag brass and the rims run .059"-.060" thick for the most part. I found a few at .061" but not many. It is very good looking brass.
  
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Reply #29 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 1:00pm
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When I used a reamer on my 40-60 Maynard (Krag) I set the rim thickness for the Winchester brass that I had. When I made some more brass up using Remington brass they wouldn't chamber and I had to thin the rims. I took the easy way out for me and thinned the rims from the face. Removing almost all the headstamp lettering did the trick. Lesson: rim thickness can vary from maker to maker no matter what the book says - you chamber the brass, not the book.
  
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