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Help identify a Sharps
May 7th, 2018 at 10:18am
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I’m thinking about buying an antique Sharps carbine. See # 65779

I’m not that familiar with Sharps rifle and it seems neither is the seller.

Can I get help identifying what he has? Pictures here

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He is asking $1500. Fair value?

My plan would be to line the barrel in 50-70.....comments?
  

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Re: Help identify a Sharps
Reply #1 - May 7th, 2018 at 10:26am
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I'm not a Sharps expert, or even close! But it appears to be a mixture of parts from different eras, which is not uncommon with military carbines. I believe it's an 1859 though.
Not sure you can reline a carbine to .50-70 with the thin barrels they have. It might require you get a replacement barrel to get it shooting.
  

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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2018 at 10:38am
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Thanks!.....Anyone else have any info I might be able to use?
  

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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2018 at 12:13pm
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Based on the lack of a patchbox, I'd guess this is one of the roughly 30,000 Model 1863 carbines that were factory-converted soon after The War; if so, it should already be a 50-70.

As for the asking price of $1500, to me the gun has been used and abused beyond that being a good deal, especially since so many carbines were converted relative to those reissued that examples in NRA Very Fine or better condition are still quite easy to find (though for more like $2000-$3000)

As for relining the bore, if the current barrel has 3-groove rifling, it already has a liner.  Enough said, other than to caution that in my opinion such guns should be fired only with black powder or mild smokeless loads.

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Re: Help identify a Sharps
Reply #4 - May 7th, 2018 at 1:04pm
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+1 in agreement with Mr. Lawrence.  Years back, those were around in much better condition.  Some still might be.  They are what they are.  The 50-70 conversion worked well, but if you are not content to play with an antique, leave it alone.
  
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Reply #5 - May 7th, 2018 at 3:23pm
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Thanks.....But I've been looking for a 50-70 Carbine for around $1500 for a couple years with no success. I almost went reproduction AMARI a couple times. Not sure what I'm going to do on this one......Stay tuned!
  

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Re: Help identify a Sharps
Reply #6 - May 7th, 2018 at 5:24pm
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I see a ring on the end of the barrel which would indicate that is already lined. It should be a 50/70 unless someone has fooled with the chamber. It's pretty rough but if the bore is good it may be a good shooter. Try to negotiate it down several hundred dollars if you are serious. Otherwise, keep looking.
  
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Reply #7 - May 7th, 2018 at 5:53pm
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Price depends on if it's worth it to you. With that said they are a reasonably fun shooter.I have one in pretty good shape. Since it's set up for cartridge, it's likely 50-70.

The draw back is that it's a light rifle for the load it shoots and with only a 16" barrel it's velocity challenged.

What I have seen in a fair number is actually a very good bore and action. Many that were converted to cartridge did not see a ton of use.

Fun to shoot on an overcast or dark day on a crowded range. If I could find a way to install a muzzle brake, I'd line up next to the clown with the 338 Lapua. Nothing like blackpowder and about a foot too little barrel to clear a firing line.
  
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Reply #8 - May 7th, 2018 at 6:24pm
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Deadeye Bly has indeed lived up to his moniker - i.e. I missed the none-too-obvious ring of the liner at the carbine's muzzle.

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Reply #9 - May 8th, 2018 at 8:37am
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At the end of the Civil War, a large number of Sharps carbines were converted to the center fire 50/70 cartridge.  If the original barrel in 52 caliber was in good condition, the barrel was untouched.  If the barrel was in more used condition, it was lined to 50 caliber and shot a .515 bullet.  This looks like it was relined by the Army.

Its condition is somewhat rough but the values of these carbines are going up.  The ones I see at auction usually go over $2000 but in much better condition.  And you do see many up for auction.  Keep looking,
  
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Reply #10 - May 8th, 2018 at 8:45am
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If you check the Poulin auction last fall, two Sharps 50/70 carbines sold for $1700 and $2300, depending on condition.  Both looked much better then the one here.
  
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Re: Help identify a Sharps
Reply #11 - May 8th, 2018 at 3:36pm
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The original bores had 6 groove rifling the relined bores had 3 groove rifling when done by the government.

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Rich_Siegel wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 8:37am:
At the end of the Civil War, a large number of Sharps carbines were converted to the center fire 50/70 cartridge.  If the original barrel in 52 caliber was in good condition, the barrel was untouched.  If the barrel was in more used condition, it was lined to 50 caliber and shot a .515 bullet.  This looks like it was relined by the Army.

Its condition is somewhat rough but the values of these carbines are going up.  The ones I see at auction usually go over $2000 but in much better condition.  And you do see many up for auction.  Keep looking,
  
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Re: Help identify a Sharps
Reply #12 - May 10th, 2018 at 6:51am
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I couldn't resist.....I bought it for a negotiated $1200

Will be a nice winter project!
  

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Reply #13 - May 10th, 2018 at 8:17am
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I think you did OK. Keep us informed how it turns out. Have fun with it.
  
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