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coondawg Participating Member Offline Posts: 33 Joined: Apr 6^th, 2018	25-20 SS black powder load question Apr 16^th, 2018 at 9:08pm	Print Post
	I have loaded brass shotgun shells with BP before but have never loaded rifle brass with BP. I would like to try it in my Stevens 44 25-20 SS. The bore on this rifle is fair and is 1-14 twist. I plan on breech seating and have a CPA bullet seater and capper and decapper. I have some .258 85grain cast bullets on the way. I have FFG on hand. I know FFFG is finer but is FFG workable? What is a mild load for for the 44? Any help would appreciated. Thanks, Robert


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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1222 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: 25-20 SS black powder load question Reply #1 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 10:54am	Print Post
	fill the case, add a .060 wad and shoot art


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1826 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: 25-20 SS black powder load question Reply #2 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 11:33am	Print Post
	As Art Said. BUT: The lube on those purchased bullets, especially if it is blue and hard like candle wax is likely not suitable for use with Black Powder. YOu can melt the blue wax lube off the bullets by placing in a saucepan with water, heat up and the wax will float off the bullets. Then get some SPG or other BP type lube and pan lube the bullets. (please ask if you don't know about pan lubing,etc. beltfed/arnie


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1299 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: 25-20 SS black powder load question Reply #3 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	coondawg What art stated covers the basics. FFG should work well, even 1.5 in either Swiss or Olde Eynsford should also give good results. While I'm not a 25 Cal shooter, I've shot a lot of 32 and 38 Cals with black powder using breech seated and muzzle loaded bullets. I recommend you also try an over powder wad about .025-.030. For straight black, some powder compression may benefit accuracy, about .030 makes a good starting amount. Should you use powder compression, the over powder wad should still be seated even with the case mouth. Seat your bullets *approximately* 1/16 inch ahead of case mouth. Breech seated depth can be a little more or less depending on what improves accuracy. To mitigate fouling, your 25 Cal will likely need the bore wiped between shots but lots of factors play into that. If you live in a high humidity area, a blow tube might suffice. Best of luck, please let us know how it goes

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coondawg Participating Member Offline Posts: 33 Joined: Apr 6^th, 2018	Re: 25-20 SS black powder load question Reply #4 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 12:42pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the info guys!


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 25-20 SS black powder load question Reply #5 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	My suggestion would be to start with a duplex load of 2.5 to 3 hrs of 4227 or Roader 7 and fill the case with bp. If that works satisfactorily, move on to straight bp.

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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: 25-20 SS black powder load question Reply #6 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 7:16pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 1:54pm: One year at Oregon I tried BP in my 25-20 Single Shot. Breech seated. Do not remember hitting the target. Do remember all the cases I used were ruined. Steve Garbe reported excellent results with BP in the 25. Thinking Steve did an article in BP cartridge News. Joe. Writing as someone that has been loading BP in small volume BP cartridges since age 13, it has often been obvious that some folks should best avoid BP entirely. For one thing, never heard of BP ruining cases except by ignoring basic cleaning of cases after each use. BP loads that never hit target are a blunt warning that said reloader is doing some things badly wrong some how. Minute of angle groups for at least 3 shots is entirely SOP in rifles in good condition. For small case BP cartridges and excellent BP (NOT GOEX!!), BP bullets and lube, 10-shot groups under 2 MoA at 100 meters is reasonable, no wiping bore between shots.


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