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Re: resizing a 38/55 to 32/40
Reply #30 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 6:12pm
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You may be right about some cases being thicker- say .375 Win., but I don't know there. Almost all of my cases are 'real' .32-40 or made from .32 spl. or .30-30. Most of my cases (when I bother to check thickness) seem to be similar necks of just under .010 to slightly over. I don't really check often because my chamber is "generous" so most anything fits as long as I stick to bullets of .323 or so. That's for fixed. For breech seating, I just put a tiny flare on and let 'em go to whatever size they end up when shot. 
When I do my conversion I've never annealed. Sometimes afte a lot of shooting, I do it, but not always. Vall has a lot of converted cases, and he may have some other insight here on thickness or uniformity, even annealing.
Further, most of the old brass is more consistent in weight than modern made. Exception is a small batch of .30 American that Terry Buffum gave me- it was the most uniform brass I may have ever owned, but it didn't end up shooting any differently than mill run.   
In over thirty five years I never bothered to do a chamber cast, and don't see a need at this late date. I figured out what it likes by shooting a lot of stuff in all that time. Plus, the advice of the old guy I got if from and an old mentor who was more savvy about cast bullets than I'll ever be. 
Since we've talked about resizing cases to become .32-40s a lot of times now, I figure our discussion might also include other aspects of the nature of the final product. John's notion about thickness is worth talking about, since it often gets little talk. I'm still curious about the chamber's effect on case life. And, to all of you out there, what has caused the most case loss in the converted brass you've had?
  
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Re: resizing a 38/55 to 32/40
Reply #31 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 6:23pm
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Pat, I've never thinned a resized case I made for my .32-40's. Used .38-55, .32 Spl. .30-30, and all worked just fine after resizing with no thinning.
  

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Reply #32 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:38pm
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Before some start to think this is a really big deal over the past seventeen years I have only separated very few and only in the neighborhood of four or so give or take and they were well used. But the conversation has also been very interesting, quite friendly and some are using parent cases I would have not thought about using so it's been very knowledgeable as well and to me continues to be so.

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Re: resizing a 38/55 to 32/40
Reply #33 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:03am
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I don't know whether this batch of starline 38-55 brass was to thick to begin with or just what exactly the problem is, but as stated earlier they are so thick after being sized to 32-40 that the only thing they are good for would be breech seating or paper patching to under bore diameter.
The Winchester brass that came with this rifle (it was purchased from a nationally known bpcr shooter and gunsmith) is fine, but he said he had a lot of trouble with the starline. After looking at the brass I can see why... Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #34 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 1:11pm
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I just noted a curious thing- maybe. 
Using Starline .38-55 cases, gunlaker, back in post #16 says he'd had a few separations and thought it may be thin cases. 
Then, using Starline .38-55 cases, just above, Ranch13 in post #33 is having trouble because the brass is too thick.
Either the manufacturer changed something or the technique to reform is quite different. So, maybe the guys that used the Starline for forming can help out here.
I only did a very few from any (old).38-55 because I never saw many back when I first started doing this caliber. All that stuff was obsolete, and didn't show up much in usable form. Thats why my old "real" cases are out of business companies, or headstamps. Now, the only .38-55 that I acquire goes to a friend to feed his old Model 1894.
  
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Reply #35 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 2:22pm
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As I said, I believe this lot of Starline brass must of been made on the thick side. 
Don't have the problem with WRA head stamped brass, and certainly no problem using Western, Winchester or WW 32-40 brass, nor with the reforming of 32 special brass from Hornady.
  
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Reply #36 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 2:46pm
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Could be different- like I mentioned, but did those guys make the two different lengths of that caliber? If they did, maybe that's part of the change. Dunno, not having any of their stuff. 
I wasn't criticizing either of you guys, just pointing out something I'd noticed that is curious. 
You have some old Western cases too, huh? I lucked into a hundred 'real' ones way back in the dark ages. The old CIL cases came with the rifle when I got it back in '79-80. The rifle came from upper midwest, near Canada, and I figured those case showed up there more than here. 'Nuther dunno from a guy that wings it as often as not. Smiley
  
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Re: resizing a 38/55 to 32/40
Reply #37 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:45pm
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I don't know if the Starline with the thick case mouths was the long or the short brass in it's original form. It was part of the package when I bought the rifle, with word of warning from the original owner, that it had to be trimmed pretty regular, and that if it was loaded with black it would either really stretch or separate. He was right. So I just leave it alone on the off chance I end up with a 38-55 again, and maybe, just maybe it will form back out.
I still have half box or so of Winchester 38-55 factory loads in the red box. I have fired a few of those, and was surprised to find after firing, those cases are the "long" cases,and not the short length they produce today.
  
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Reply #38 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 4:20pm
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Only problem I am aware of with the 38-55 resized cases is from one in our group who had problems with them sticking in the chamber after a few firings and just requiring re-sizing but not sure of the brand.

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Re: resizing a 38/55 to 32/40
Reply #39 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 4:37pm
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calledflyer wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
Could be different- like I mentioned, but did those guys make the two different lengths of that caliber? If they did, maybe that's part of the change. Dunno, not having any of their stuff. 

 
Starline does indeed offer two lengths of .38-55 brass, and Winchester made only the shorter brass after a certain point. I believe it was after they introduced their .375 Win. cartridge, and it was a shorter OAL. They simply made all their .38-55 brass too short after that.
  

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Reply #40 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 5:40pm
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I've never had a single stuck case in .32-40 either. Perhaps your guy over annealed them? I can't see much happening to a breech seated case unless the powder charge is up into the ozone.
Possible exception from too little powder folding a mouth that never got sealed.
Some of you out there must have ideas here, let's hear 'em  Huh
  
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Reply #41 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 7:33pm
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CF the one 32-40 case that was a bit hard for to get out was the one I double charged with H-108 in my CPA and also a bit hard on my ears at the time as well. Also made a nice stain in my underwear from the shock of it all but I got it out with the help of my cleaning Rod. Removing a portion of the primer cup stuck in the firing pin hole in the breech block a bit more challenging as was the firing pin with it's nose well bent off to one side. Only thing I had to throw away was the case, firing pin and underwear when all was said and done. No harm done to the rifle and couldnt find any cracks in the action, replaced the firing pin and went back to shooting the match and have been shooting it ever since. That took place back around 2006 and I haven't had an overly stuck case in it since. 

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Reply #42 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 11:02pm
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Interesting Don that your Starline .38-55 brass is thick.  I have piles of the stuff that I bought maybe 8 or so years ago and it's all about 0.0075" thick at the case mouth.  All of the cases I've had, long or short Starline are the same thin necks.  I would actually prefer that they were thicker, but I don't really shoot fixed ammo in .38-55 and only rarely do it in .32-40. 

The Starline case I lost to stretching weren't reformed to .32-40, but were still .38-55's.  They were loaded with FFFg and now that I think of it, some were Old Eynesford 1.5 which also ripped them in half Smiley.   Swiss 1.5 or plain Goex powders in Fg and FFg were a lot friendlier.   Interestingly I've had some really excellent results with plain old cheap Goex Fg in .38-55 and .32-40.   

I have had one .32-40 case failure with BP and it was the kind usually associated with smokeless.  The case mouth had crumpled as the pressure got behind the case before it had expanded and sealed.   

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Reply #43 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 11:57pm
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There ya go, gunlaker. I don't use that black, but I don't have any problem seeing a crumpled neck with any ol' powder, black or perfect  Cool, if the neck ain't sealed. I bet ya let an undersized one in there that shot, huh?

A few years back I got a wild hair up my ehrr..... whatever, and decided to shoot some fixed loads in my .32. I'd ended up with a couple of molds that would be suitable just sitting around. So I said what the ehrrr..... whatever.
Anyhow, it ended up, after a good deal of tinkering, and a few more molds, to be quite rewarding. Mind you, I'm only a fair shooter, but an avid putterer. So, in thirty some years of shooting breechseated (ho-hum), I managed to get a few groups that were about five eights of an inch. Plenty under an inch. And there she stood for eons. By the time I got settled in with the fixed I'd matched the breech seated nearly. Not as consistent, but at least the "best" made the grade. I think that those who say that caliber won't shoot too well fixed are fooling themselves.
  
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Re: resizing a 38/55 to 32/40
Reply #44 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:50am
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Chris if you can get the starline  stuff back home with you I'ld bring it to Worland. It serves me no purpose.
  
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