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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3987 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Lubes and accuracy Mar 30^th, 2018 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	OK, just thinking. (painfully) Does anyone shoot really really well using tumble lube(s)? OR, are all the really really good shooters using a heavier lube cast around the bullets?

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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3987 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #1 - Mar 31^st, 2018 at 7:17am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 12:33am: Most everyone I know pan lubes. Some of the German SR bullet shooters are having good luck with liquid lubes. Tumbled? Joe. Pan lubing was my impression that most folks used. I do a variation of that. Which liquid lubes? I like the handling of the 45-45-10 but is it more better for accuracy?

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #2 - Mar 31^st, 2018 at 8:55am	Print Post
	You and I are on the Cast Bullet website. They have some funny ideas over there. The two most popular questions are: How can I make my bullets harder? and Whats the best way to get leading out of a barrel? I know these guys use tumble lub but why. Why would you go to all the trouble of casting good bullets then drop them in a box all higlidy piglidy so that they get all nicked up. Then lets put them in a machine that will bang them up some more. It just docent make sense to me. Oh by the way these are the same guys that brag about 1" groups shot at 20' from a rest. 40 Rod


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18057 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #3 - Mar 31^st, 2018 at 9:56am	Print Post
	Never heard of people literally tumbling their bullets around in a machine with liquid alox to coat them? I have used liquid alox with some Lee bullets designed specifically with many small lube grooves to hold the alox. Those I've used were in pistols, which I believe is the best use of liquid alox and these bullets. I don't think there's enough lube on any bullet to keep it lubricated the full length of a 28" or longer rifle barrel. But a 6" pistol barrel works very well with these lubes.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3974 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #4 - Mar 31^st, 2018 at 10:32am	Print Post
	I've poured a bottle of liquid alox into melted beeswax and vaseline. I don't recall the 'carefully' measured proportions now. It made darn good lube, but now I'm sold on Alberta Schuetzen Lube. Wish it came in pretty colors, though.


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1021 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #5 - Mar 31^st, 2018 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	If your not shooting good, it’s probably not the lube. Ledball


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #6 - Mar 31^st, 2018 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	Fred Sinclair sent me a bottle of liquid carnauba wax that is used for finishing wood instruments. Very light dab in a plastic bag sloshed around leaves not much of a coat. I had good luck with this when shooting the 308403 Pope bullet in my 30-06.


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3987 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #7 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	Cbashooter wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 4:24pm: Fred Sinclair sent me a bottle of liquid carnauba wax that is used for finishing wood instruments. Very light dab in a plastic bag sloshed around leaves not much of a coat. I had good luck with this when shooting the 308403 Pope bullet in my 30-06. I have an xp100 with Sinclair's name on it! Thanks for attaching the use for the liquid carnauba - I have flaked carnauba and have been looking for the liquid.

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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3987 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	ledball wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 4:19pm: If your not shooting good, it’s probably not the lube. Ledball I agree.

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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3987 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 10:32am: I've poured a bottle of liquid alox into melted beeswax and vaseline. I don't recall the 'carefully' measured proportions now. It made darn good lube, but now I'm sold on Alberta Schuetzen Lube. Wish it came in pretty colors, though. I'm using a mix of bees wax, the original Alox, and a little carnauba, a little ATF and likely a little of several other things. When I run out of it in 5 or 10 years I'll mix up something else.

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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3987 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 8:55am: You and I are on the Cast Bullet website. They have some funny ideas over there. The two most popular questions are: How can I make my bullets harder? and Whats the best way to get leading out of a barrel? I know these guys use tumble lub but why. Why would you go to all the trouble of casting good bullets then drop them in a box all higlidy piglidy so that they get all nicked up. Then lets put them in a machine that will bang them up some more. It just docent make sense to me. Oh by the way these are the same guys that brag about 1" groups shot at 20' from a rest. 40 Rod I generally agree; I'm not one to look and see statistically who is shooting what to win, just looking to see if there are a few folks that say "THIS works for me..." I've not gotten better by repeating the same old thing, but by changing one thing at a time and learning. Sometimes the same old thing works best too.

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4233 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #11 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	Wish Alberta Schuetzen Lube came in pretty colors, though. They have different wax dyes at the candle makers shop. Just melt your Lube and mix in the color of your desire. Or melt wax shoe polish and add it to your lube.


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #12 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	Cat_Whisperer wrote on Apr 1^st, 2018 at 5:29pm: Cbashooter wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 4:24pm: Fred Sinclair sent me a bottle of liquid carnauba wax that is used for finishing wood instruments. Very light dab in a plastic bag sloshed around leaves not much of a coat. I had good luck with this when shooting the 308403 Pope bullet in my 30-06. I have an xp100 with Sinclair's name on it! Thanks for attaching the use for the liquid carnauba - I have flaked carnauba and have been looking for the liquid. Planet Waves "step 2" amazon has it.


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2282 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #13 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	I've been trying a layered approach, I cast a lot pistol bullets which I tumble lube with Lee's Liquid Alox, and then also apply wax lube by hand, which seems to work really well. I've tried it with my match rifle bullets, only that I apply both lubes by hand, I don't tumble them, and the good part is that I haven't been getting any leading.
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3974 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Lubes and accuracy Reply #14 - Apr 1^st, 2018 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	Dave, I was only messin' around about the colors. I used to let my granddaughters add old color crayons to the homemade mixes, but I really don't give a darn what color your excellent lube comes in. Good stuff. Gettin' to be time for a new brick, too.


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