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32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:17pm
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I already have a CPA in 32-40 in a heavy bench configuration and want to buy a CPA 32-20 . For various reasons I want to shoot fixed cartridges from the 32-20, I breech seat my 32-40 . CPA told me I could use my Hoch 32-40 mould bullets for the fixed 32-20 cartridges . A 32-20 bullet diameter is .311-.313" and the 32-40 bullet diameter is .322 " A little tight ? Will really have to bell the case mouth on the 32-20 brass ? How does this work without splitting the thinned walled 32-20 case ? Thanks
  
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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #1 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 2:26pm
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The CPA 32-20 uses the same groove diameter barrels as the 32-40 in the .320 range and thus one can use the same bullets for both and their response to your question should now make allot more sense to you.

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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #2 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 3:25pm
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Not speaking of the barrell groove diameter . Asking about seating a 32-40 cast bullet which is stated as a cast bullet diameter of .322" into  a 32-20 brass case  . A 32-20 as cast bullet has a cast bullet diameter from .311-.313 " . So the 32-40 cast bullet has a larger diameter than a cast 32-20 bullet . How does the 32-20 brass case fair when seating a bigger bullet diameter  the 32-40 bullet which is .322 " into the 32-20 brass case which is designed to seat the 32-20 bullet diameter of .311-.313 " ? " Thanks .
  
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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #3 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:03pm
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The neck on the CPA 32/20, should be in the .342 range and should hold a .320 - .322 base band, ok.

Your concern should be the powder charge, when you reduce the case capacity by putting the bullet inside the neck. 

My suggestion would be to start at subsonic velocity's with your lightest bullet. I'd start with ~7.0 gr of the common powders like 4227, Enforcer and H110, or 300MP. 300MP would give the lowest pressures.

Use Remington cases, if you have them, all the others are weaker, Starline is probably second in strenght.

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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #4 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:07pm
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  After you fire form the 32-20 brass in the CPA chamber your .322 bullets should fit. 
In my opinion, if you want to shoot fixed ammo, get the 32-40 chamber and save yourself a lot of grief.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm
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I'am actually going to try and stuff the case full of 2f BP . Since the chamber will be made like I'am going to breech seat the 32-40 bullet should be seated out further in the 32-20 case, any thoughts ? Thanks
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:12pm
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I would agree with Jeff but, the 32/40 (SAMMI) neck has .007 taper. If you could get a straight necked 32/40, it would make a much better fixed ammo cartridge and would also work just as well for BSing.

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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #7 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:16pm
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Brudford01 wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
I'am actually going to try and stuff the case full of 2f BP . Since the chamber will be made like I'am going to breech seat the 32-40 bullet should be seated out further in the 32-20 case, any thoughts ? Thanks


I'd have to see the chamber drawing of the 32/20 in order to tell you if that is possible. The standard type 32/20, wouldn't allow it.

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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #8 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:24pm
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I spoke with Gail the other day at CPA and she stated " it would work with BP but accuracy would be horrible " I agree with frnkeore , I think the chamber would really have to be opened up depending on the dimensions like you stated . Thanks
  
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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #9 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 6:11pm
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Brudford01 wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
I spoke with Gail the other day at CPA and she stated " it would work with BP but accuracy would be horrible " I agree with frnkeore , I think the chamber would really have to be opened up depending on the dimensions like you stated . Thanks


"Horrible" might depend on a number of variables and type of shooting, although "horrible" might be right for bench rest. IF you use a good bullet designed for BP and cast "soft" and plenty of excellent BP lube, as well as Swiss 2F or 3F, it is not unreasonable to expect "decent" groupings. Just substituting BP, even Swiss, for nitro powder I would expect horrible results for more than a few shots.

There is a shooter that posts here often that uses a .308 cal 10" twist barrel (if my memory is correct) with 150-175 grain bullets and BP to get quite good groups for short range (200M?) prone matches
MartiniBelgian -- is his correct log on. Need to do search that goes back a few years to find his relevant posts.
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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #10 - Mar 18th, 2018 at 8:39pm
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Brudford01 wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
I'am actually going to try and stuff the case full of 2f BP . Since the chamber will be made like I'am going to breech seat the 32-40 bullet should be seated out further in the 32-20 case, any thoughts ? Thanks

  Yeah, 100 grain bullet and 20 grains of black powder. Nothing new there.
  

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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #11 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 8:38am
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CPA sells dies for fixed 32-20CPA cartridge.  I'd suggest getting the dies and then load your fixed rounds.  Might save yourself a lot of work and heartburn. 
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Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm
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MartiniBelgian is correct for man using "32-20" heavy bullet BP loads. May need to search back a few years to find many of his posts reporting his results.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 5:06pm
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Brudford01 wrote on Mar 18th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
I spoke with Gail the other day at CPA and she stated " it would work with BP but accuracy would be horrible " I agree with frnkeore , I think the chamber would really have to be opened up depending on the dimensions like you stated . Thanks


I think understanding what that chamber design is like would be helpful. I have one myself and I know what it is. You can shoot BP. It will be accurate. BUT, you may just need to have a mold made to get the best out of it. 
For sure you will not be getting 1250 - 1425fps out of 210gr. bullets with black.

You can shoot to 200yd by using a purpose built bullet; lighter than 200gr with a short body, tapered and longer nose. I do not know offhand what combination of bullet weight and powder charge (FFFg Swiss) it would take to make 1200fps give or take. I have not tried. 

If you do, please let us know. I might try something like that someday with mine too. 

Remember,  these are NOT 0.313" barrels. They are real 32's and twisted for longer bullets.
  
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Re: 32-20 CPA Fixed load ?
Reply #14 - Mar 19th, 2018 at 9:52pm
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Here is perhaps most concise post by MartiniBelgian re his 30-20 with BP and "heavy" bullets.


MartiniBelgian wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:26am:
FWIW,

I' ve messed around with my30-20 and several heavier (for calibre) bullets, weights between 150 and 175.  All of those propelled by BP, of course at subsonic velocities (1050 fps or thereabouts).  Shoots perfectly out to 200, even shoots very well at 300.
Still waiting for the new barrel to be installed on the rifle, so that I can start working up loads for what will be my new short-range BP match rifle.


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