Redsetter wrote on Mar 17^th, 2018 at 3:52pm:

Change made.

25-20 necked down to .22 is a 218 Bee.

Steve   

                      base dia      case length
22 hornet           .294           1.40
22 WCF              .295           1.39

25-20 WCF         ..349           1.33
218 Bee              .349            1.35

25-20 SS             .315            1.63
All per Cartridges of the World
SO, the Hornet was begat by the 22WCF,
Not the 25-20WCF or the 25-20SS
beltfed/arnie

To either add to or further clear up the confusion, it was the .22 Lovell (i.e., the .22-3000) that was based on the .25-20 SS.

Bill Lawrence

Harwood's cartridge wasn't a failure- just that all the brass dried up when you guys started making 22-3000 out of it.

Redsetter wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 5:57pm:



Harwood's .22 Hornet was a necked-down .25-20 Stevens case, not the Winchester.  There is a photo of one in the Donaldson book "Yours Truly".   Curiously it has a sharp shoulder that looks very close to the much later Lovell R2, but with a much longer neck.  So close, in fact, that when it came to repairing a horribly botched bush-and-rechamber job that Parkenfarker did to mine, I used my R2 Lovell reamer to form the body portion of the chamber.

I suspect that the difficulty in cleaning black-powder residue from that tiny and sharply-shouldered case may have had a lot to do with its' lack of popularity.  It's been a real bear for me.