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.22 Hornet quiz.
Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:08am
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  Hi all:
With all the unbelievable knowledge of single shot information of people on this site, I have a quiz for you.

1. Who was the first "modern" , as we know it today, .22 Hornet rifle made for? There was a cartridge called the Hornet in the 1890's (not the modern version.)

2. What kind of rifle was used for this modern Hornet?

3. What brand of rifle barrel was used?

4.Who made the stock and forend?

5. Who made the chambering reamer?

6.What brand of target telescope was used on the rifle?

7. What size and power was the scope?

8. Who came up with the name for the modern Hornet? What year?

9. Who were the "Four W's" responsible for the development of the modern Hornet?

  Good luck, and you have 30 minutes to complete this quiz! (just kidding).

Before I found out the answers, I only knew number 8!

  I look forward to all of your responses.

    Have fun,

        Bill.
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 12:11pm
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The "modern" Hornet arrived with great fanfare in the form of detailed write-ups by most of its developers in the Rifleman (Wotkyns first in 1930), so its history has never been obscure.  Whelen is often given most credit, but he was only an enthusiastic promoter, not the developer; that distinction belongs to ordnance officer G. Wotkyns, who in 1929 chambered Hornet #1 in his own BSA Martini fitted with a M1922 Springfield brl.  #2, belonging to Al Woodworth, and later Hornets were rechambered 1922s.  Whelen did however name the cartridge after the original (& unsuccessful) BP cartridge based on the .25-20 case...which with smokeless was later reinvented as the .218 Bee.

Don't know offhand who cut the reamer, but if it wasn't Wotkyns I'd guess Woodworth, and I presume the work (except for the Martini, which was a G&H job) was done at Springfield Armory.
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm
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I'm not an expert, but have read a lot of old writings in my collection, and Redsetter's info sure jibes with my recollection of the story as told in the old gun mags. Good memory, because I couldn't have related it, but needed the prodding he gave to loosen the cobwebs. Good job.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 2:27pm
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Redsetter has it right.    I was going to try to answer from memory, then decided no.  Looking through several books he’s spot on.

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Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 4:34pm
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I was going to research it but I knew the answers would be here shortly  Cheesy

Very interesting, thankks for posting.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 4:40pm
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I wanted to read  about Reuben Harwood's baby, the Harwood Hornet from 1894.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
I wanted to read  about Reuben Harwood's baby, the Harwood Hornet from 1894.


It passed into history when he died.  It's major problem was BP, always troublesome in small-bores, but on the other hand, Winchester sold a LOT of '85s in .22 WCF. (Try to find one with a really good bore!)  Maybe competition from .22 WCF, for the limited number of shooters interested in a .22CF, helped do it in.

I haven't found out for sure whether the cases Harwood used were .25-20 SS or repeater.  Harvey Donaldson talked about it in one of his articles for Rifle, but didn't specify which case he meant.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm
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Congratulations on finding that June, 1930 RIFLEMAN article by Capt. Wotkyns. 

Did you also find the January '31 article by Whelen?

FWIW, Capt. Wotkyn's obituary is in the July '45 AR.

More info on TW's  M1922M1 Springfield was published in PRECISION SHOOTING in 2000. 

Good shooting. Wink
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 6:57pm
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Wapiti wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
More info on TW's  M1922M1 Springfield was published in PRECISION SHOOTING in 2000. 


Written by the late Mark Benenson, who was a gun-show acquaintance of mine. Vaguely remember hearing it wound up in a big auction (maybe Amoskeag) after his death.

Have been lucky enough to acquire all Rifleman issues beginning in the 'teens, when it was still Arms/Man. 
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 11:52pm
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
I wanted to read  about Reuben Harwood's baby, the Harwood Hornet from 1894.

Deadeye Bly,
There's a one page advertisement for Reuben Harwood on page 74 of the Ideal Hand Book No. 5
Among other things, it mentions that a .22-15 W.C.F. barrel can be rechambered for Harwood's .22-20 Hornet.
There's also an illustration of the cartridge case.     Wink

  

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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:52am
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Mark Benson (or was it Brenson ? Can’t give the exact spelling) Redsetter please confirm,  displayed that M 1922 . 22 Hornet at the Baltimore Gun show years ago.   Was able to look at a distance. Thing that stuck me, working rifle, not fancy. Always liked a well made working gun, it impressed me.  

He was a strong buyer of period Springfield Arsenal and sporter modified US bolt actions. Used to run want to buy adds.  I guess when he passed the collection was broken up.

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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:43am
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Harwood's Hornet, also called the .22-20, was based on the .25-20 Single Shot case.  The groove diameter is .228".  Was it truly a wildcat?  I have a catalog that lists .22-20 as a Stevens factory chambering in 1895.  Obviously it soon disappeared.  

In restoring the chamber in a Model 108 Stevens I found that Harwood's Hornet is remarkably close to being a .22 Lovell R2 with a very long neck.  In fact I used my R2 Lovell reamer to repair the damage done by "Bubba" Parkenfarker, who had tried to convert the rifle to the modern Hornet.    

The cartridge that became the .218 Bee was the Niedner "Baby", which he made from .25-20 WCF brass.  As another interesting coincidence, the Baby-Bee has the same internal capacity as the much later R2 Lovell.  

Photo of my Harwood project brass.  Far left is .25-20 Single Shot.  Next is that case run into an original (slow taper) .22 Lovell die. Middle is a finished "Harwood" case, made in a handmade die using my Lovell R2 reamer.  Second from right is a Harwood case with a bullet ready to be seated.  Far right is a .22 Lovell R2 case.    
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:50am
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Here are a modern Hornet case and my Harwood case, side by side.

  

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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:53am
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boats wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:52am:

Used to run want to buy adds. Boats


His 10 page "wanted" lists were famous--mostly stuff I'd never seen or expected to see...especially since I never traveled the way he did, to the biggest shows all over the country.

Benenson is the name.      
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:03am
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Thanks, nice obit from the N.Y. Times, google it. 

MARK K. BENENSON
  
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