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40-65 win questions?
Mar 3rd, 2018 at 4:08pm
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i've been using single shot rifles(tc encore and h&r handi) for hunting deer for years now.  i have been using my encore in 444 marlin and 500 linebaugh(both are 23" barrels) and 45-70 handi on cast boolits for about 5 or 6 years. i'm not a "go faster" guy. i'm more of "eh, it'll get there.....eventually" guy. i'm also a handi cabledle guy too. i had a stroke and right arm is useless and my right leg is 40% capabled, means i'll walk there.......eventually Grin. it also means i won't do the work (gunsmith, i hope) on rolling block.

and that will be my question(s).
will a rolling block work on a 40-65 win?
i want to use a 350-400gr fn  and smokeless/ bp?
1400fps and under will be it. i'll be happy with 1200-1300fps. 
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or a real rolling block.

i am looking a marbles sights, but i'm open to suggestion(includes the rifle)
i don't have anything yet, i'm just spitballing the idea.
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 5:49pm
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TODD:
    If you are going to do smokeless, I'd suggest the 350 gr bullet.   For BP the 400+. given an appropriate twist.     Sounds like you are mainly into plinking rather than competition.   BP does better with the heavy bullet.
    Rolling block is fine for 40-65.    I really like the RB actions, but need to be converted to PG stocks to look like anything, and to have reasonable drop to the buttplate.   I have done one that was mistaken for an original Remington target rifle.  IOW, they look good when done right.

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Re: 40-65 win questions?
Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 6:28pm
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I had a 40-65 built on one of the Dane rollers that were imported in about 15 years ago. Used a #3 winchester profile Green Mountain barrel. It shoots bullets from 300-410 gr pretty well.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 7:30pm
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I would suggest considering a lower recoiling, lighter rifle than suitable for 40-65. Perhaps a 38-55 or even 30-30.

I use an original Swedish roller in 8X58RD with 33" barrel and it weighs 9lbs. It handles nicely, at least when both my arms are functioning usefully. But, for hunting I would much prefer a much shorter barrel, lighter rifle -- 22-24" and under 8.0 lbs appeals to me.

At least my roller has a very comfortable stock for offhand shooting and even from rested positions. It is straight stock, OK for two-handed shooting. IF I had only one useful arm, I would check possibility of adding one of the "screw on" pistol grips intend for use with straight-gripped rollers.

I have given some thought to loading my roller for hunting. A blunt nosed 200gr 0.325"" cast GC bullet at 1800-2000 fps is an easy load to develop and should do anything a 30-30 or 35 rem will do. Ditto a 250-300 gr 40-65 at 1500-1700 fps, basically a nitro practice load for 40-65.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 7:34pm
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I really like the .40-65 in a single shot, at least with black powder.  I shoot a Shiloh Sharps in .40-65 with a 1:16 twist barrel.  It shoots the Saeco #740, and Buffalo Arms 409400M4 bullets extremely well from 200 to 600 yards.   Those are both 400gr-ish bullets.   

I like it so much I bought another one, but with a 1:14 twist barrel.  I haven't developed a load for that one yet.

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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 8:55pm
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A 40-65 roller with a #4 Green Mountain barrel and pistol grip conversion. Comfortable to shoot with any bullet weight, black or smokeless.
And another in 30-30 with a Kreiger sporter weight barrel and also a pistol grip conversion. Built as a deer rifle, jacketed bullets mainly but fun to shoot with cast. I really like and enjoy rolling blocks.

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Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 9:03pm
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Very nice!

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Re: 40-65 win questions?
Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 9:18pm
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I built one in .40-65 and am building another presently in .40-65 also. I like .40 caliber single shots in almost any variation, but the .40-65 is probably one of the least expensive and easiest to form for me! They work great in a rolling Block with smokeless or BP!
The one I'm putting together now will be a 34" #3.5 weight GM barrel. Deluxe checkered pistol grip stock set, with steel forearm tip, and buttplate.
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 10:56pm
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Todd,
I would not waste my money on the increased cost of the Honed GM barrel. For your purposes the std GM barrel
will do just fine. 
Indeed, the 40-65/ 16 twist will do a nice job w/o excess
recoil. Just stay with moderate weight bullets.
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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 3:07am
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thanks guys!!! just keep them coming.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 7:50am
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All good suggestions above. Based on your physical description the 38-55 suggestion is a good one. Even a 38-40 or 35-40 would work well, but they are more of a hassle to make brass for (the 35-40 being the easiest - just resize 38-55 brass). A GrnMtn #3 profile barrel would shoot any bullet you might be interested in with either BP or (ugh) smokeless. If you are new to BP loading, shooting, this is an excellent tome to get you started (along with asking questions here & on the Shiloh Rifles forum): (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);
There are a number of excellent single-shot gunsmiths on this forum who could do the work for you. One is singleshotsam (Curt Hardcastle) who posted the pic's above, and another is buchsenmacher (Steve Durren), but there are others. Tell us where you live and there may be one just across town you are not aware of.
Another group/forum that might useful to you is the CBA (cast bullet association - google them). They shoot a wider range of rifles and competitions that you may like.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 3:37pm
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i live in windber, pa.

i had/have 30cal out the wazoo!!!!! of these i take out my 30-40 krag in 1898 spr armory(bubbasized) and 165gr ranch dogs going roughly 1800fps. it smacks deer quite well!!! i've been thinking about the 38-55 but i like the 40-65 win. Smiley

i have shot the 45-70 with bp and i do luv it. unfortunately, the gunsmith i had(he was a good friend as well) developed cancer and he passed on rather quickly. i believe he had a sharps (don't remember the year?) in 45-70 . he did a 500?gr cast and bp. i should have paid more attention to him. i should've, could've and would've too much. i am open to anything regarding rifles.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 6:45pm
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40-65 is a great round. Shot one for the past several years and thoroughly enjoyed it before moving to a 38-50 for this season. Easy round to load & shoot and not punishing in a long match. Accurate and capable to 1000yd. Used a Grn Mtn 14.5" twist barrel and it was very accurate.

You are about as centrally located as you can be for BPCR shooting in PA. Ridgway Rifle Club is due north, Shippensburg Field & Game is ESE and McDonald Sportsman's is due west. All under a 2-hour drive. Reade Range is only about an hour north of you and usually has a long-range BPTR match each year. Come on out and join in the fun. Everyone is welcome.

Steve Durren is in Adrian, MI and would do a terrific job building a 'Roller in 40-65 for you. CPA rifles in Dingman's Ferry, PA will make up 95% wood for a good price (but, you can spend as much as you want on fancy wood). They might also do the work, but generally stay so busy building their own CPA rifles that they don't take in other work. But, you could ask. Another excellent single-shot gunsmith down by Winchester, VA. He stays pretty busy, so not sure about his taking on your project. All the other single-shot gunsmiths I know/use are out west.
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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 6:49pm
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If going with a #3 profile Green Mountain barrel make sure you have 1 5/8 lingth of stub to thread if your action has the 1.055 thread diameter or go to the 3 1/2.
I used one of their 14.5 twist barrels to build a 40-82w rolling block. Finished it mid February and haven't had a chance to play with it yet.
The threaded end on a #5 action is1.430 long from breach face to barrel shoulder. 1 5/8 allows you to use the tulip area of the barrel. 
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Reply #14 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 10:37am
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If you re not set on having one made, and would  considewr ready made i have been enjoying my pedersoli RB in 40-65 with pistol grip and DST for years  it shoots bp and smokeless well and i enjoy a light 265 grain bullet available commercially or you can get the magma mold for about 100  for 200 ys offhand gong shoots
  
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