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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	43 spanish Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	Hi folks, Considering pulling the trigger on getting an argentine 43 spanish rolling block. Just wondering what i might be getting myself into in terms of reloading? It seems theres a few hurdles.. 1)3 or so different varieties of 43 spanish. 2)obtaining quality brass. 3)seemingly limited molds. Being in Canada doesnt help matters much either (places dont want to ship brass up here). From what I have read they are comparable to the 44-77 both in size and performance, which sound like pretty good shooters out to the longer ranges. So how bad is it to get the fixins to get one shooting or am I better off to look into a rebarrel in 40-65 or 45-70/45-90? I dont mind some tinkering (most of that seems to be getting/forming brass) I just havent found much solid information about grtting these to shoot. Hopefully some of you folks can get me pointed in the right direction. Thanks


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corerftech Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Memphis, TN Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2014	Re: 43 spanish Reply #1 - Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	Do a search on this forum. Buffalo arms has 44-90 brass which is the best parent for 43 sp, you can make very long accommodating necks to fit your chamber and headspace on th shoulder. Dies are readily avail and while not quite a single stroke FL die form, (trim and anneal), it’s pretty simple. Make one right,the rear are cake. Bertram brass is not good Maybe BACO has 43 reformed in inventory


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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: 43 spanish Reply #2 - Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 9:26pm	Print Post
	Thank you sir, just the kinda answers I was looking for, just gotta find someone that doesnt have a problem shipping brass to canada, maybe theres some 44-90 brass up here. I didnt like the sounds of how troublesome forming .348 brass could be.


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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: 43 spanish Reply #3 - Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Might have to go the .348 route... no sign of any 44-90 brass up here yet, and i guess brass aint allowed to get shipped up here any other prospective cases to form from?


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corerftech Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Memphis, TN Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2014	Re: 43 spanish Reply #4 - Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 11:46pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) There are several sizes and rim thicknesses. I’m not in a position to view my last order but I believe this is the parent I use. They have changed the description a tad since my last order. Verify by cartridge drawing on your end and against your chamber. I use the .065-67 rim so that there is no way I’ll have a headspace issue. If you gamble with thicker rims then you may or may not be able to close breach, you should be able to as the original is much thicker. Use normal rim and use shoulder for reference in subsequent firing, it will be a win/win for you. Likely cheaper too. I tried to ship to Canada from the link above and I wasn’t stopped, you should be good to go with BACO.


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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: 43 spanish Reply #5 - Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 11:56pm	Print Post
	Itd be all too easy except for this thing... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4477 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: 43 spanish Reply #6 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 12:21am	Print Post
	Bertram Brass may not be the greatest but it will work and being from Australia and available in Canada (The Gun Room, Ontario) it may be your best bet. The Bertram brass will be the correct one for your rifle.


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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: 43 spanish Reply #7 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 12:38am	Print Post
	Got a hold of them, hopefully they got em in stock, least they should shoot, just not for quite as long by the sou ds of it lol. Seen atleast those guys and i think rusty wood got the bertam stuff. Gonna try to scrounge and stock pile em. Thanks for the reply


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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1362 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	Re: 43 spanish Reply #8 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 9:20am	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) These guys may ship to Canada. Member "Life#75" and "Schuetzendave" are north of the border and may be able to assist. Only shot my .43 Spanish a few times, but it is fun to shoot those old rifles

	Life Member ASSRA, OGCA & TSGC I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters........ Frank Lloyd Wright
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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1582 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: 43 spanish Reply #9 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Bertram Brass used to be Godawful, both in dimensions and metallurgy, but the later lots seemed to have at least addressed the latter problem. Or maybe I have just learned to handle it. The first box of 20 .43 Spanish I got, I lost eight cases the first time out to body splits. Quite a bit later, I ordered two more boxes and annealed them good before loading, and annealed the original survivors. Now I lose maybe one case each firing session, sometimes none. This with black powder in my Peabody rifle. The varying lengths (always under the standard, of course) and rim thickness, (thinness and ovalness that requires some dressing to get into a standard shell holder), seems to be worse in the smaller cases. Didn’t have any noteworthy problems that way with the .43 Spanish, the .40-90 SS, or the .405 Basic I converted to .35 Winchester. A crying shame about Jamison/Captech/whatever. These purveyors of brass for those of us in the Antiques Bidness don’t seem to prevail on quality alone. It’s like “Survivor” on TV. The one with the overbite, bad attitude and weird haircut always seems to be the winner. But I have to give Bertram full credit for trying. I wouldn’t be shooting a lot of the rifles I have if it wasn’t for them. For that alone, they deserve our support.


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corerftech Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Memphis, TN Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2014	Re: 43 spanish Reply #10 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	Oy, I had no idea about the export thing. I’m bummed for you. Yep go with Bertram then and anneal. Good luck with the project and the hunt for brass.


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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: 43 spanish Reply #11 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Would 50-95 brass work to form from? Rusty wood offers them from jamison for half the price of the 43 spanish. Got a quote with shipping for 50 43 sp shells for $342... ouch.


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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1222 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: 43 spanish Reply #12 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	why not resize 44/77 brass? very similar art


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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: 43 spanish Reply #13 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	Cant find it up here with any less difficulty than 44-90 on non bertram 43 sp.
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Somehippy Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: 43 spanish Reply #14 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	Rusty wood co. Has 50-95 in jamison, but also 50-110 and 50 alaskan in starline brass, no .348 brass at all. Would any of theses be prospective routes? They're less than half the price... $6+ a shell shipped just seems a lil silly...


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