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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #225 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am	Print Post
	All that remains is for me to find out how one goes about editing a Wikipedia article, which is what set this thread in motion in the first place. Thanks again, y'all!

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1103 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #226 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 11:24am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am: All that remains is for me to find out how one goes about editing a Wikipedia article, which is what set this thread in motion in the first place. Thanks again, y'all! I don’t know if you noted that Barnes credited Peters company working with Stevens to produce the 25 RF or not. This is highly unlikely. I think this was also referenced in wiki. Peters did not go into business until 1887/8 and their first catalog listing the 25 Stevens appears to be 1898.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #227 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 11:28am	Print Post
	I'll follow that up. In other places Stevens catalogs state that cartridges were developed in concert with Peters. Can't say about the .25 rimfire.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1103 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #228 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 11:49am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 11:28am: I'll follow that up. In other places Stevens catalogs state that cartridges were developed in concert with Peters. Can't say about the .25 rimfire. Check the cartridge prints in the catalogs. Below is from the 1888 catalog, note the “U” on the base of the rimfire cartridge. By 1900(?) that had changed to a “P”. Another good indicator of when the 25 RF appears, is to check the pistol cartridge offerings. I found it there, before I found it listed in the rifles. The ads for the tip up rifles are more confusing to me for available chamberings. I don’t have access to Stevens catalogs from the early 1890’s.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #229 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 11:28am: I'll follow that up. In other places Stevens catalogs state that cartridges were developed in concert with Peters. Can't say about the .25 rimfire. Nope. My remembery files are corrupt. Nothing in the Stevens literature about Peters. But in Tom's upcoming book, one of his sources is a cartridge collector by the name of Lou Behling. That drawing I posted came from him, and in accompanying text (which I failed to read) he states that, "according to factory records" (presumably UMC's) the development was done by UMC. So thank you for saving me from perpetuating that error.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 918 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #230 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	From the Stevens catalog #13, 1896.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1103 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #231 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:57pm: From the Stevens catalog #13, 1896. Hard to imagine Winchester beat Stevens to production. There are lettered 1885’s that the serial numbers place the production as early as 1891. Here is one discussion. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #232 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	Cheeze Loweez - you have to have at least an associates' degree in computer coding to edit a Wiki entry.! I haven't had to anything like that for 20 years.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 918 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #233 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 8:03am	Print Post
	Looks like Wikipedia is mainly using the book "Cartridges of the World" as it's reference for Stevens 25 rimfire. Obviously it is wrong. In the Bill West Savage and Stevens book, he claims that the .22 long rifle was first developed in 1886, with the Stevens 25 rimfire being developed in 1889 with the help of UMC.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1103 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #234 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:37am	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 8:03am: Looks like Wikipedia is mainly using the book "Cartridges of the World" as it's reference for Stevens 25 rimfire. Obviously it is wrong. In the Bill West Savage and Stevens book, he claims that the .22 long rifle was first developed in 1886, with the Stevens 25 rimfire being developed in 1889 with the help of UMC. You do realize finding a single source like that takes all the fun out trying to prove a point? Someone needs to contact Mr Barnes! Still a fun exercise in research. All too easy these days to point, click and believe. A big thanks to Uscra112 for trying to get that sorted out online.


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1316 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #235 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:04am	Print Post
	First, if my memory is correct, Lou Behling was a much-respected and -published authority on cartridges of all types in the 1950-1980 period. In particular, he was the first editor of Gun Report magazine's "Cartridge Corner" feature. Also, are you sure about the 1896 date for the Stevens catalog? I ask because it seems strange that Stevens would be touting a cartridge as "new" that was in production by 1889. Or was Stevens really that slow out of the gate? Bill Lawrence


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1103 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #236 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:04am: First, if my memory is correct, Lou Behling was a much-respected and -published authority on cartridges of all types in the 1950-1980 period. In particular, he was the first editor of Gun Report magazine's "Cartridge Corner" feature. Also, are you sure about the 1896 date for the Stevens catalog? I ask because it seems strange that Stevens would be touting a cartridge as "new" that was in production by 1889. Or was Stevens really that slow out of the gate? Bill Lawrence Stevens catalog information always seems a bit questionable. Lack of updates. A line thrown in to announce a new product. Large gaps in publishing dates and catalog numbers not being able to be matched to any kind of regular interval. This article shows some of that and if correct, you would need most of the originals to figure out the order and possibly a timeline. Consider about 50 catalogs between 1888–1900. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 918 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #237 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:26am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:04am: First, if my memory is correct, Lou Behling was a much-respected and -published authority on cartridges of all types in the 1950-1980 period. In particular, he was the first editor of Gun Report magazine's "Cartridge Corner" feature. Also, are you sure about the 1896 date for the Stevens catalog? I ask because it seems strange that Stevens would be touting a cartridge as "new" that was in production by 1889. Or was Stevens really that slow out of the gate? Bill Lawrence No, I'm not 100% sure on the 1896 date for the catalog reprint. I am 99.9% sure that Stevens likely just kept printing the same announcement from an earlier catalog. I do not have any catalogs or reprint catalogs from 1889 to 1895 to check.


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skwerl 44 Participating Member Offline Posts: 41 Location: Okanagan Valley B.C. Joined: Jul 21^st, 2021	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #238 - Aug 7^th, 2023 at 11:08pm	Print Post
	Stevens circular announcing the 1894 Stevens Favorite available in .22lr and .25 rf. ...skwerl

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1316 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Anybody shooting .25rf Stevens? Reply #239 - Aug 8^th, 2023 at 5:31am	Print Post
	Stevens circular announcing the 1894 Stevens Favorite available in .22lr and .25 rf. Since the Model 1894 Favorite was available until the Model 1915 replaced it, without a date I don't see how the circular helps. Bill Lawrence


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