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Shooting with iron sights
Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:06pm
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I have to applaud you folks who shoot so well with iron sights!  I went to the range today and took my 30/40 Imp Borchardt with a 3x9 scope and my Stevens 44 1/2 with Lyman 103 and globe front sight.  I shot the Stevens with a 4.5x14 for a year before I went to the tang sight last fall to hunt with and the rifle is a real tack driver.  Last fall I used an aperture disc in front so that I good "almost" see a good concentric ring around the black bull to sight in with.  I removed that insert and used the Lyman fine post with a bead to successfully hunt with.  Today I shot at 75 yards with just the post and was using the Merit disc for the first time.  The disc helped but my god was it hard to see where the bead was in the bull.  My 10 shots were all in the black but it must be an 8" circle so that is not saying much!  50 years ago I could actually see the front sight AND the bull at the same time.  Kudos to you who shoot at 200 yards and shoot so many into the x ring.  By the way, I found a load for the Borchardt with a 190 grain jacketed bullet that shot less than 1 moa at 100 yards with the 9x scope.  If I draw antelope tags this fall I might have to put the scope back on the Stevens as I am pretty sure I can't sneak to within my shooting limitations with iron sights!  As always, blind, dumb and happy!  Tom
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:23pm
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Bulseyetom wrote on Feb 18th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
The disc helped but my god was it hard to see where the bead was in the bull.


"In" the bull was part of your problem--should be aiming below it.  A post or blade is much easier to aim with, but maybe not so good for hunting.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 12:34am
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I much prefer a post for hunting vs. a peep aperture up front! There's nothing to center in the front peep when laying it on an animal with a peep front aperture. I'm also not fond of globes in front for hunting. A simple narrow post with good sharp corners works best for me when hunting.
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 5:15am
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    For hunting, a gold or ivory bead will be best.   If the face of the bead is flat, and angled at 45 degrees ti catch the light, it will show up nicely.   Ivory is kind of "magic" in that it shows dark on light targets and light on dark targets.   AAR, with those beads, either square or round, you can hold ON the target.   And, by all means, use a LARGE rear aperture.

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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 9:19am
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rgchristensen wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 5:15am:
   AAR, with those beads, either square or round, you can hold ON the target. 
 


If the target is the chest of a deer, yes.  But he was complaining about his results on a bullseye target.  On that kind of target, a center-hold, esp. with a bead, is less precise--you don't see target rifles fitted with beads. In fact, nowadays you don't see them fitted with anything but aperture front sights, worthless in the field, but perfect for bullseyes. 

By the way, my 18K high-school class ring was converted by a jeweler into two post front sights with a broad 45 deg. angle, making the most highly visible hunting front sights I've ever used.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:12am
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Chris, I tried the ivory front sight thing, works great for a lot of stuff, but absolutely sucks on antelope in the snow... Grin
For target shooting an aperture in the front is the only way to go to achieve decent and consistent groups.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:21am
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Ranch13 wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:12am:
Chris, I tried the ivory front sight thing, works great for a lot of stuff, but absolutely sucks on antelope in the snow... 


It's also why I missed my polar bear.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:33pm
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The colored rings fills about two thirds of the space within our aperture sight. 
We focus the sight by adjusting the light through the rear sight to get a sharp aperture and slightly fuzzy target to achieve the best accuracy.
Always remember your eye centers the target better when it concentrates on the sharper front sight.

But animals are not perfect orbs and do not fit into an aperture, given that they may not be at the right distance to fit within two thirds of the aperture.

As Joe suggests use a Pin Sight or Blade/Post Sight for hunting.
Joe can see the tiny pin sights; which are more accurate, but the blades or posts may be better for those with poorer eyesight.

Proof that staring at girls has not damaged your eyes Joe. That is how Joe trains his eyes.
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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 12:08am
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Shooting an Sg over 2.0.

My bullet is a tad short for the 11.5:1 twist for shooting on hot days.

Caliber      0.321      Inches            
Bullet Weight      235.1      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.299      Inches            
Barrel Twist      11.5      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1526      fps            
Temperature      100      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      2.08      

     Caliber      0.321      Inches            
Bullet Weight      235.1      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.299      Inches            
Barrel Twist      11.5      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1526      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      1.90                  

Good Sg for shooting at Spokane though.      
You know my base edges are sharp.

Or was it a wind gust?
Or did I hit a bumble bee like Roland Groppe?
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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:28am
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My eyes are trained in the technique mentioned above. 
Why can't I shoot offhand?
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 12:48pm
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Problem is you have trained using a moving target.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 2:59pm
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Well, that's that then. I'll settle for the moving target training over Joe's (apparently) motionless regimen.
'S Ok, though, I'd rather not shoot much offhand so that I can save my energy for even more eye training. Thanks guys.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 9:08pm
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Try using a thicker front post. Joe S
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:47am
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Joe_S wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Try using a thicker front post. Joe S


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Reply #14 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 6:32am
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Tom,

From what your saying about your sighting problems at the range, you don't need to worry about the sights on your rifle, it's your eyes that need the help.

I'm assuming that you wear glasses. 25 years ago I bought a pair of " KNOBLOCH ' shooting glasses and went through the process of having specific lenses made (can only be used for shooting at the range, forget field work). TALK ABOUT A CHANGE!! I went from 'can't see anything' to 20yr old eyes (well, almost 20yr old eyes) just like that. It wasn't cheap, but worth every cent. Since then I've had to have new lenses made every 6 or 7 years as my eyes age, but that's about all. I use them for all my rifle & pistol range work and find that they are great.

I bought them from: Champions Choice, Inc. (competition shooting supplies) in LaVergne TN. Their Website is (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); Tel: (615)793-4066

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