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Stevens 22 marked 45 under the lever with the long octagonal barrel and single set trigger in the 11xxx range. Shot it offhand today; very nice. It appears to be a 44 1/2 receiver with the rounded bolt and bottom screw near the rear, but were there others with the top front screw similar to the 44's? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks
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The 44-1/2s in .22 rimfire had the forward screw like the 44s in order to give purchase to the kicking ejector that they were fitted with. It has no other function.
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Whereas all other makers charged extra for half-octagonal barrels, they were standard on most Stevens rifles, and full-octagonals were optional at about $2 extra. What's the barrel length? 26" was standard for RFs.
That 3-leaf open sight looks a little bizarre on a RF, but you're lucky to have the A5 scope.
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Thanks guys. The barrel is 30 inches measured to the firing pin.
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patriot wrote
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Thanks guys. The barrel is 30 inches measured to the firing pin.
Definitely special order--another $2 option.
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Now, I'd like a .22 like that! Never owned a Stevens, but then, I never saw the likes of that hereabout, either. Thanks for showing it.
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Opened up a front iris for the long barrel and shot it today. Holds great, but my finger would need a few sessions to learn the trigger. Cleaning it tonight I pushed the trigger forward just out of curiosity and heard the click. Well dah, its a set trigger. Back to the range tomorrow. Anyone know if they were factory or custom? Adjustable inside? Thanks
Update - found a couple of drawings and a photo of a single set trigger; not certain yet if they are the same.
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patriot wrote
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Anyone know if they were factory or custom? Adjustable inside? Thanks
Stevens did offer a single-set trigger, in fact, two slightly different designs, though they're very seldom encountered. Should be a screw head for adjustment in the back of the trigger.
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I've seen two Stevens 44's with single set triggers. They looked factory, and I wondered if someone was making or reworking these. They also worked flawlessly!
What was interesting was both were removable lower tangs like a 44 DST tang.
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Really like that rear barrel sight. Never seen one like it. I have a 45 with double sets. Can't see how they could get much better than that.
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That rear barrel sight is very seldom seen. Pretty sure they were made by W.F. Sheard.
The Lyman 103 tang sight is very nice as well as the rare single-set trigger.
I have a Stevens #45 in 22lr on a 44 1/2 action that is similar to the one pictured in that it has a slightly heavier 30" full octagon barrel only mine has no front or rear sight dovetails. It left the factory with a Stevens scope instead.
Mine has double set triggers and does not have the kicking ejector or the extra screw in the side of the action.
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sureshot wrote
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...mine has no front or rear sight dovetails. It left the factory with a Stevens scope instead.
The omission of those slots is the rarest factory option of all! At that time,
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few buyers would risk trusting to a scope alone.
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marlinguy wrote
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What was interesting was both were removable lower tangs like a 44 DST tang.
Yes, it is a removable lower tang.
Redsetter wrote
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Should be a screw head for adjustment in the back of the trigger.
Correct. It appears to control the sear engagement by adjusting the screw contact to the frame. I've got it soaking in Kroil to see if it will adjust.
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Pretty sure they were made by W.F. Sheard.
Steve
Yes, the leaf sight is a Sheard. Any pictures of your rifle?
Thanks everyone for sharing your expertise.
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Does the rear sight have a name on it? I have something similar on one of my Stevens but can't recall who's name is on it at the time. Looked it up when I got the gun and the sight alone was around $300 at the time. Beautiful rifle with some rare options. The single set triger is a winner. I have a couple of double set triger Stevens but have never seen a single set one that I am aware of.
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Does the rear sight have a name on it?
The leaf sight has "W.F. Sheard" on the front. I didn't see a name on the tang sight. I believe it is a Lyman 103. It has a "P" on the underside which appears to be correct for this rifle.
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I didn't see a name on the tang sight. I believe it is a Lyman 103.
Correct. Lyman tang sights were a Stevens option (not so sure about the 103), but the Sheard was not, so in that sense it is incorrect.
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Thats the sight I have. Verry scarce as I recall. Good find.
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patriot wrote
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marlinguy wrote
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What was interesting was both were removable lower tangs like a 44 DST tang.
Yes, it is a removable lower tang.
Yours being a 44 1/2 would have the removable lower tang regardless of trigger style I believe. The Stevens 44 only had a removable lower tang on set triggers I believe.
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marlinguy wrote
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The Stevens 44 only had a removable lower tang on set triggers I believe.
Right, and some Stevens catalogs include drawings of both SS & DS lower tangs, which appear to be identical in external dimensions; for which reason I've suspected buttstocks are interchangeable between 44 & 44-1/2 frames. This should be a conjecture easy to prove or disprove by experiment, but I confess I've always been too lazy to try it. Has anyone done this?
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Redsetter wrote
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marlinguy wrote
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The Stevens 44 only had a removable lower tang on set triggers I believe.
Right, and some Stevens catalogs include drawings of both SS & DS lower tangs, which appear to be identical in external dimensions; for which reason I've suspected buttstocks are interchangeable between 44 & 44-1/2 frames. This should be a conjecture easy to prove or disprove by experiment, but I confess I've always been too lazy to try it. Has anyone done this?
CPA's site says the stocks are not the same. The site says the 44 1/2 stocks are larger, and require wood removal to use on a 44. So it may be the tangs are equal, but the 44 1/2 being a wider action would make wood from a 44 be low when installed on a 44 1/2.
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CPA's site says the stocks are not the same. The site says the 44 1/2 stocks are larger, and require wood removal to use on a 44. So it may be the tangs are equal, but the 44 1/2 being a wider action would make wood from a 44 be low when installed on a 44 1/2.
If the two straight-grip actions I just measured are typical of all, the difference is pretty minimal: dimensions top to bottom at rear of frame where it meets buttstock are identical. Side to side at same point, the 44-1/2 was thicker by the difference of .009".
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The CPA 441/2 actions are not made to the same deminsions as the originals and are quite a bit larger and I would assume for for additional strength. The reason for and amount of changes are noted on their Web Site. If in need of new wood Gail can leave it fat in the areas one requests during the duplicating process so one can create a perfect fit. This is something she has done for me when requested in the past so I could only assume it is something she would still do.
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I have a single-set trigger on my Stevens 044 1/2 Ladies Model. It works great, I've shot it in several matches.
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I also would like to know if anyone has put a Stevens 44 1/2 stock on a Stevens 45 .22 LR with the Swiss buttstock. I'd like to be able to swap stocks to shoot the 44 1/2 crescent stock in BPCR matches with out seriously modifying the original rifle or stock. Are they interchangable? I mean enough so that I don't have to scrape wood or redrill holes.
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A 44 stock will go on a 44 1/2 action, but not the other way. The 44 needs larger interior clearance cuts for its' arched mainspring, unless you have a set-trigger 44 with the separate tang. I just tried it with some of my loose parts. In my case the 44 stock will require a bit of scraping in the tang channels...it's a very tight fit. YMMV.
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"I also would like to know if anyone has put a Stevens 44 1/2 stock on a Stevens 45 .22 LR with the Swiss buttstock. I'd like to be able to swap stocks to shoot the 44 1/2 crescent stock in BPCR matches with out seriously modifying the original rifle or stock. Are they interchangable? I mean enough so that I don't have to scrape wood or redrill holes."
I put a 441/2 crescent stock on my model 45 which came to me with the Swiss stock. They were both 441/2 actions. No changes necessary.
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A 44 stock will go on a 44 1/2 action, but not the other way. The 44 needs larger interior clearance cuts for its' arched mainspring, unless you have a set-trigger 44 with the separate tang.
Well, that answers a question I've long wondered about, but from external observation alone, had assumed the contrary; experimentation always beats speculation.
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So, Fogman, the pertinent question is on which action is your Model 45?
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It is on a 44 1/2 action. The screw configuration on the action is the 44 1/2. Evidently some .22LR 44 1/2 actions had an added screw that looks like the 44 action. This one does not - it a Model 45 with a 44 1/2 action.
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Evidently some .22LR 44 1/2 actions had an added screw that looks like the 44 action.
If you have to count screws to distinguish between the two, something's wrong with either your vision or your brain.
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So tactfully put, Redsetter. You could have said that since you have the rifle don't worry about the screws just open the action and if the breech block extends out the bottom it is a 44 1/2. Now, the questions begging are, was the 22 ejector an option? Or, was not having it an option? Or, is this a centerfire action that has been reworked for a 22?
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So tactfully put, Redsetter. You could have said that since you have the rifle don't worry about the screws just open the action and if the breech block extends out the bottom it is a 44 1/2.
The very distinctive shape of the top of the breech-block isn't sufficient?
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It's subjective comparisons like that that are a problem. If you want to ignore the breech block extension, how about the top of the down hammer nose being below the action sides?
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It's subjective comparisons like that that are a problem.
What's "subjective" about taking note of a completely different profile to the breech-block? At a gunshow, for ex., I can do it
at a glance
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Redsetter, since my vision and brain are so screwed up, I supplied the photo. You are obviously the expert: what do I have - a 44 or 44 1/2? You didn't bother to say. Thank you for that. Most online auction houses supply limited photos to determine the difference. Besides "counting screws" how do you tell from a small side photo which it is? Relying on the write ups the auction houses supply is about worthless. I don't want to buy a "parts rifle" if the stock won't fit whatever model it is I have.
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Redsetter, since my vision and brain are so screwed up, I supplied the photo. You are obviously the expert: what do I have - a 44 or 44 1/2? You didn't bother to say. Thank you for that.
Is that a rhetorical question? Hasn't this particular gun been discussed before? I though you were well aware of its identity, or I wouldn't have made the comment--which wasn't aimed at you, so I apologize if you thought it was.
But if you
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do not know, it is of course a 44-1/2.
PS Wait a f'n minute--just looked back at your photo, and see that you DID identify it yourself as a 44-1/2! So what's the purpose of this BS?
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The point of the "BS" was:
1. Confirm that my too-good-to-pass-up .22 Stevens Model 45 was in fact a 44 1/2 action. It is, thank you.
2. Confirm if a crescent stock from a 44 1/2 or 44 could fit on my Model 45 without undue modification to the Model 45 so it would be legal for BPCR matches. Evidently the just the 44 1/2 stock will swap out, thank you.
3. Gain enough knowledge from experienced Stevens collectors and shooters to identify from poor on-line auction photos a Model 44 1/2 whose stock will work for my rifle instead of a Model 44 whose stock will not fit my rifle. I don't want to waste my money on one that won't fit. Working on it.
Thank you all for a very informative thread.
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You could fit a horn buttplate that would pass BPCR with out altering the wood or black acruglass.,If you don't mind me asking ? would it be possible for you to post a pic of the inside of that trigger.
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The point of the "BS" was:
1. Confirm that my too-good-to-pass-up .22 Stevens Model 45 was in fact a 44 1/2 action. It is, thank you.
2. Confirm if a crescent stock from a 44 1/2 or 44 could fit on my Model 45 without undue modification to the Model 45 so it would be legal for BPCR matches. Evidently the just the 44 1/2 stock will swap out, thank you.
3. Gain enough knowledge from experienced Stevens collectors and shooters to identify from poor on-line auction photos a Model 44 1/2 whose stock will work for my rifle instead of a Model 44 whose stock will not fit my rifle. I don't want to waste my money on one that won't fit. Working on it.
Thank you all for a very informative thread.
Did you miss my post earlier? A 44 stock
will
fit onto a 44 1/2.
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