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Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 5:23pm
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     It's  quite feasible to modify the collet in a LEE collet sizing die to give you the neck inside contour that you want.   I often set one up to size the lower part only of the case neck, leaving an as-fired section 1/8" long or so to start the bullet.   I suppose that if a person were sufficiently clever, he could bore out the collet a bit here and there so as to leave a restriction below the bullet seating area to make a positive depth stop.

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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 10:53pm
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Reply #17 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:36am
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All of us learned this stuff  trial and error.  Good thing about the forum is others willing to help, avoids so much error. 

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Reply #18 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:41am
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On your compression tool. All mine are re-worked M die plugs.  Get one smaller, slip fit in the case then turn the base flat.  No lathe you can probably flatten it with a file in a drill press, or mail it to one of us with a lathe . 

Chris’s lee collet die method is similar to old factory loads that used a cantlure rolled into the brass to prevent the bullet slipping with less than a case full of powder, common in .38 special loads.  Important in a Revolver, the bullet has to stay in place on recoil until it’s turn. SS rifle not as critical. You still want it fixed, about thumb pressure fixed. 

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Reply #19 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 5:25pm
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Presently, it is too darned cold to go to the shop. 13 degrees tonight. 
I have the pot set up, loaded with lead alloy (20:1) and the rest close by. Traded a brick of primers for 30 #s of "pure" lead the other day. 
As a retired banker, I will admit I took too many "management by objective" classes" along with certain technical writing seminars. Imagine learning how to develop a manual on how to make a peanut butter sandwich (it is in the details-try it with a clever Smiley devil's advocate across the table). 
Another question.
When a neck expander is used, how does life keep the expander in the center? The case could distort/be distorted without being noticed. This begs for a concentricity gauge. Does anyone here use one?

  

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Reply #20 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 5:50pm
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Red Cent wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 5:25pm:

When a neck expander is used, how does life keep the expander in the center? The case could distort/be distorted without being noticed. This begs for a concentricity gauge. Does anyone here use one?



     I don't do much case neck manipulation when making up ammo, either breech seat, or seat in un-sized cases, so don't feel that I have  concentricity problems, but....
     When expanding necks up to a larger size, I use a section of expander the ID of the existing neck as a pilot, then a taper up to another cylindrical section of perhaps 0.035" larger, etc.   With a properly-made plug of several steps, one can take a 30-30 up to 38-55 (or a 30-40 to 40-60) in one stroke, and keep everything straight and centered.
     Properly made, an expander plug with a guiding cylindrical section could be of help, but, since life is short,  FIRST be sure there is a problem, before you set out to fix it!!   

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