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Bay State falling block Rifle's
Dec 15th, 2017 at 12:03pm
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Anyone here own one of these rifle? any real first hand information on how these rifle are build and shoot would be appreciated. Bonner
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 1:32pm
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The Davenport Arms Company, est. 1880 sold out to Bay State Arms Company in 1884.  An 1885 patent by W. H. Davenport covered a full sized under lever rifle, a bicycle rifle, and a boys' rifle1n 22, 32, and the full sized one in 38 also, all rim fire.  In 1887, Bay State failed and the Davenport rifles reappeared as Hopkins and Allen in 1890 and that same year W. H. Davenport started his own company with shotguns and in 1891 with boys' rifles, one of which I recently bought.

The lever to dropping block link on the H&A could be lengthened slightly on the 32 to raise the firing pin for 32 CF, as I have done, and by looks of the patent drawing, the Davenport could also.  PM me your mailing address and I will mail you a copy of the patent drawing, easier technology for me.

The older Davenport brother died and his brother ran it for a while, failed, and was rehired by H&A.  This sounds like a corporate nightmare.

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Re: Bay State falling block Rifle's
Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2018 at 1:03am
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Here's a pic of the breachblock on my 32 Bay State.
The sliding dovetail allows both rim and centerfire ammo.
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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:56pm
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Nice pictures.  That sliding breechblock was W. H. Davenport's patent #326,276 of September 15, 1885.  It allowed easy conversion of rimfire to centerfire.  There is not much information on the larger calibers of Bay State and Davenport.  A few larger calibers were made by Hopkins and Allen with Davenport's patents.  Davenport and his brother were in and out of H&A.  All of them made a lot of ugly shotguns also.

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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:53pm
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     Let me clarify my botched note from December 2017.  William Davenport and his brother-in-law, Day started the Bay state company in 1885 and patented a rifling machine and the convertible rim to center fire breech block that year.  They sold out to Hopkins and Allen in 1887, no doubt for the patents and machinery.  I cant find evidence of any quality H&A rifles until that date.   
     I bought a nice Bay State rifle relined and chambered in 32 S&W Long a few months ago and the quality of workmanship was nice.  The fellow who relined it did not get around to sliding the dovetailed section of the block to center fire, but having a copy of the patent from Cornell, it was easy, one set screw to loosen, then a brass punch to ease it over to the center fire position and snug up the set screw.
     W.H. Davenport left H&A in 1890, started the W. H. Davenport company and made single shot shotguns until 1891 and then made rim fire rifles, well made ones.  He seemed to persist in quality over mass production.  He retired about 1905, died soon afterwards, and his brother continued for a few more years, then again sold to Hopkins and Allen.

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Re: Bay State falling block Rifle's
Reply #5 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 4:46am
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Yes, I have an all-original one in .32 Colt.  Passed up another at a gun show in Indiana about a dozen years ago and wish I hadn't.

What coljimmy wrote is 100% accurate as far as I know.
  

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Re: Bay State falling block Rifle's
Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 11:51am
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That Davenport patent drawing is interesting (it's available as a free download from google patents), and since the firing pin tip shifts along the horizontal axis, you don't need to screw around changing the length of the link as some have previously recommended in past threads for converting H&A actions from RF to CF, and by not changing the length of the link, you don't change the timing of the breech block with the extractor.
  

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