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Re: Thinking of trying PP in a 40/60
Reply #15 - Dec 14th, 2017 at 11:32pm
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Arnie
Who made the mould for that bullet you showed ?
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Re: Thinking of trying PP in a 40/60
Reply #16 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 4:49am
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mick,
do not be a defeatist!
in the day, the average 10 year old could understand and do this because it is really quite simple.
1) for best accuracy the patched bullet should be a good fit in the bore. this aligns the centre of mass of the bullet with the axis of the bore. as the bullet leaves the muzzle it does it in a smooth uninterrupted flow. just slight friction is optimum.
2) know your bore diameter in the breech end.. pin gauges are ideal, but cerrosafe done correctly is also good.
some friction is ideal, as it stops bullets sliding of their own free will, particularly when breech seating.
3) know the thickness of 2 wraps of paper. this can be done as mentioned above, by wrapping a bolt or whatever and measuring.
ideally 2 thicknesses of paper are equal to or less than depth of rifling.
4) subtract the thickness of 2 wraps, established from wrapping the bolt, from the bore diameter and you have the diameter to order the mould.

this is homework.
too many guys try to avoid it and end up going around in circles and disappear up their own arses.

a bullet with paralell sides can be breech seated easily.
it can be loaded in cases fired in a greaser chamber, but they need severe neck sizing to get a finger seat fit. 

go by arnie's recommended bullet length.

easiest way to not size brass for bore diameter pp bullets fixed ammo is to make the front of the bullet as above, and the rear of it patching to a diameter that slip fits into a fired case neck.
not a tapered bullet, but 2 diameter.
if arnie's mould maker cannot help you, contact kal or brooks on this and give them measurements attatched to a drawing. 
understand this and never look back.
keep safe,
bruce.   

  

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Re: Thinking of trying PP in a 40/60
Reply #17 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 1:51pm
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Mick,
My mold was cut by a friend on his CNC Machining center.
He is not in business to mfg molds.
However, I would be glad to send you a drg/specs of my mold
Please note Bruce's mention of a two diameter bullet
so as to fit both the Fire Formed case neck/freebore
and has a body section that patches to your bore diameter.
Please look closely at the bare bullet, you will see
That is exactly what my mold is- two diameter base/body with Elliptical/prolate ogive/hemi meplat.
It was designed as a group effort for friend's Jim Kluskens, Bob Wood and I for our 40-65s with typical freebore chambers. So we don't have to neck size the brass and allowing for the freebore with the base band diameter that patches up to Ff neck I.D. /freebore/groove dia.
I will PM a note to you for your email address and if you like
send you the specs/drg on the 40 cal DDEPP bullet
  
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Re: Thinking of trying PP in a 40/60
Reply #18 - Dec 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm
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so mick,
how much does 2 wraps of your paper add to a diameter?
what is your bore diameter?
subtract theformer from the latter, and there is your cast bullet diameter.
try this with wet patching and dry patching, and let us know both  measurements.
keep safe,
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Re: Thinking of trying PP in a 40/60
Reply #19 - Dec 16th, 2017 at 9:49pm
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Bruce
I miked one of my bullets and it was .408", I then wet patched it with the 9# Baco onion skin paper I have and the diameter is now fractionally under .415 ", so with the paper I have it will increase the diameter of my bullet I patch by somewhere between 6 or 7 thou. I also miked the paper and it is two thou thick.
To the best of my knowledge the bore diameter of my Krieger barrel is .400", according the  maker it measures .408" groove dia. I realise that in the good old days groove diameter varied somewhat, nowadays with modern rifling machinery and button rifling it seems most, if not all, manufacturers  have settled on either four or five thou groove depths.
Hoe any modern manufacturer could get the bore diameter wrong escapes me.  Then again a friend of mine had trouble with a Sako B/A in .222 that would not shoot, on close examination he noticed that the rifling had no twist whatsoever, shit happens.
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Re: Thinking of trying PP in a 40/60
Reply #20 - Dec 16th, 2017 at 11:04pm
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that is good mick.
never use the word krieger in the same sentence as sako.
that is not the first sako barrel not up to standard.
krieger's stated measurements are usually pretty correct.
your thickness for that paper reflect that of others.
you are ready to go.
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