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DJ Participating Member Offline Posts: 15 Location: Delaware Joined: Jan 14^th, 2013	NY Rolling Block 50-70 Nov 26^th, 2017 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	With a chance to get an 1872 New York Contract Rolling Block in 50-70, I welcome input on the rifle/cartridge. Would ya'll pay 1k for one that looks original.... fair but not pristine? D.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #1 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	I paid $750 for a Michigan National Guard #1 Military contract 50-70 in about 85% condition. So $1000 is not out of line


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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1106 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #2 - Nov 27^th, 2017 at 9:41am	Print Post
	I paid $1800 for a New York 50-70 carbine if I remember correctly. That was 5 or 6 years ago. There are New York rifles listed all the time on GunBrtoker. Best way to see what they go for is to do an advanced search and see what some have actually sold for. If it is in excellent condition, I would think $1000 is probably getting close to the upper limit. George Salmon, Idaho


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DJ Participating Member Offline Posts: 15 Location: Delaware Joined: Jan 14^th, 2013	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #3 - Nov 27^th, 2017 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	This one is nice, but the seller would not come down any from the $950 he is asking. I've seen them sell closer to $800.00. Who knows... I may do it anyway.


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DJ Participating Member Offline Posts: 15 Location: Delaware Joined: Jan 14^th, 2013	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #4 - Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	grabbed the 50-70. pics below: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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RBKenn Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 265 Location: fallon Joined: Apr 8^th, 2011	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #5 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	You did alright if the bore is excellent. Standard price for an average NYS rifle 10 years ago was $1150. Complete proper NYS rifles now run spread of prices from about $800 to $1250. Not certain why the NYS has softened while other RBs have increased significantly during that same time period. Legitimate NYS carbines are simply RARE. Any you can find for 3 digit prices are a real buy. Simply watch out for cut down rifles.....


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DJ Participating Member Offline Posts: 15 Location: Delaware Joined: Jan 14^th, 2013	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #6 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 9:42am	Print Post
	Would the value be impacted if it was cleaned up....... just removing grime, with no chemical stripping or abrasive material, and leaving the wood untouched? D.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16274 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #7 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 11:25am	Print Post
	Collectors of these old military guns can be pretty anal bunch. Some love seeing them as original as possible, including some dried oil, and slight patina. I don't see anything in your pictures that shows any grime or areas that I'd want to address. I'd leave it alone, and not fix anything that's not broken.

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Fazer Full Member Offline Posts: 248 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #8 - Dec 18^th, 2018 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	Interesting story about the large hammers on the NY State rifles. As it always is there was greed involved. When they were being ordered there wasn't enough kick back on a regular established arm. So it was decided to order them with the large hammer. According to the story, Remington was willing to supply the change for $20 a gun, an inflated amount. Their cost with profit was around $5. After the contract was signed at the $20 increase, the excess $15 from the additional costs was then "redistributed" to the politicos. Nothing changes.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4075 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #9 - Dec 22^nd, 2018 at 9:42pm	Print Post
	I got lucky and found a 1872 NYS Rolling Block receiver and rear stock for $Can 250. The receiver was well browned and had some deep rust pits before I cleaned her up. But cleaning like this and restoring the stock will remove it's collector value on your firearm.
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Ineedmore Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Location: near chicago Joined: Nov 3^rd, 2011	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #10 - Dec 29^th, 2018 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	I have 2 both are good shooters.My son says I collect rust.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #11 - Dec 29^th, 2018 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Tell your Son its actually called Patina and it's worth allot of Money!

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #12 - Dec 30^th, 2018 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	Collectors and sellers like to call it patina, but it actually is rust!

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #13 - Dec 30^th, 2018 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	Mr. Jim Goergen prefers to refer to it as Patina so buyer beware when you see the word Patina being mentioned by anyone selling a nice old firearm.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: NY Rolling Block 50-70 Reply #14 - Dec 30^th, 2018 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	He can call it Green Cheese if he wants to, but it doesn't change the fact that it's actually rust.

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
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