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Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Nov 11th, 2017 at 6:44am
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Ok very newbie here to this caliber, which gets the nod from the more experienced here ?

And why ?

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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #1 - Nov 11th, 2017 at 9:41am
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I have a 45-110 that I have both Jamison and Starline brass for. The Starline was stretched from 45-100 brass by Buffalo Arms to make 45-110 brass. The Jamison was produced as 45-110 brass. I can get 8-10 grains more powder in the stretched Starline cases, compression and all other factors being equal. Using Starline cases with more powder has been giving me better groups. But that's just me and my rifle. I haven't noticed any differences in functionality between the two. I would get the brass that gives you the option to use more powder.
  
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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #2 - Nov 11th, 2017 at 10:11am
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I use Starline in my .45-90's and don't have any reason to try anything else. 

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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #3 - Nov 11th, 2017 at 11:55am
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Thanks for the replies gentleman, hopefully more will chime in, certainly leaning towards Starline at this point.
  

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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #4 - Nov 11th, 2017 at 6:05pm
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grumpy,
are you shooting this in a bpcr with black powder?
if you are, here are some thoughts.
best accuracy comes from a bullet who's diameter as cast that will slide into an unsized fireformed case.
as we know, the bullet will bump up to what ever diameter is available to it before it starts to move.
using the above mentioned diameter, this bumping up will be minimized.
we also know that optimum bullet diameter is 0.001" max over groove diameter.
if the chamber dimension allows the obturated i.d. of the case to be bigger than 0.001" over groove diameter, potential accuracy is challenged.
we cannot make the chamber smaller, so the wat to reduce the i.d. of the obturated case is to use thicker brass necks.
norma basic brass (used for the 2 7/8" case) has slightly thicker brass at 2.4" than starline, and norma 3 1/4" brass is thicker again at 2.4", offering options for perfact bullet fit.
trimming longer brass to length also offers the opportunity to get a case length absolutely fully up to the chamber/barrel transition, also good for accuracy and leading minimization.
establishing all these things takes time, effort, and thought, but rewards can be worthwhile.
i am not trying to denigrate starline, as it is good brass when annealed correctly. just offer alternatives for different situations.
all the above is null and void if the chamber is an original pp chamber for bore diameter bullets, but the concept is the same.
incidentally, your description of the chambering as 45/90 can muddy the waters.
45?90 was a winchester chambering for lever and single shot rifles with slow twists for light bullet express loadings.
the sharps case that this was based on is more correctly referred to as the 45/2.4".
modern ignorance on these issues has led to mislabelling to suit marketing purposes.
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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #5 - Nov 11th, 2017 at 6:26pm
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bruce moulds wrote on Nov 11th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
grumpy,
are you shooting this in a bpcr with black powder?
if you are, here are some thoughts.
best accuracy comes from a bullet who's diameter as cast that will slide into an unsized fireformed case.
as we know, the bullet will bump up to what ever diameter is available to it before it starts to move.
using the above mentioned diameter, this bumping up will be minimized.
we also know that optimum bullet diameter is 0.001" max over groove diameter.
if the chamber dimension allows the obturated i.d. of the case to be bigger than 0.001" over groove diameter, potential accuracy is challenged.
we cannot make the chamber smaller, so the wat to reduce the i.d. of the obturated case is to use thicker brass necks.
norma basic brass (used for the 2 7/8" case) has slightly thicker brass at 2.4" than starline, and norma 3 1/4" brass is thicker again at 2.4", offering options for perfact bullet fit.
trimming longer brass to length also offers the opportunity to get a case length absolutely fully up to the chamber/barrel transition, also good for accuracy and leading minimization.
establishing all these things takes time, effort, and thought, but rewards can be worthwhile.
i am not trying to denigrate starline, as it is good brass when annealed correctly. just offer alternatives for different situations.
all the above is null and void if the chamber is an original pp chamber for bore diameter bullets, but the concept is the same.
incidentally, your description of the chambering as 45/90 can muddy the waters.
45?90 was a winchester chambering for lever and single shot rifles with slow twists for light bullet express loadings.
the sharps case that this was based on is more correctly referred to as the 45/2.4".
modern ignorance on these issues has led to mislabelling to suit marketing purposes.
keep safe,
bruce.



Indeed you are correct it is a 45/2.4 C/Shiloh Sharps early gun from before they split company.

My thoughts are to load reduced smokeless loads using IMR SR-4759 for now, until I learn the gun, may eventually switch over to black powder, but not right now.

Thanks for the information.
  

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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #6 - Nov 16th, 2017 at 7:37am
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Have no comment on Jamison as I've never used and do not know anyone who does. However, Starline provides a quality product and does an excellent job of supporting our matches with donations of brass for prizes at the drawings, etc. While Jamison may as well, I've never attended a match where Jamison brass was a prize (and I attend several regional/nat'l matches most seasons).
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:42am
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SSShooter wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 7:37am:
Have no comment on Jamison as I've never used and do not know anyone who does. However, Starline provides a quality product and does an excellent job of supporting our matches with donations of brass for prizes at the drawings, etc. While Jamison may as well, I've never attended a match where Jamison brass was a prize (and I attend several regional/nat'l matches most seasons).



Good to know , Thanks for your response.
  

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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:11pm
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Not much to decide now. On the Shiloh site a poster living near Jamison reports they have shut down.Website shows no items in stock but a fire sale on Gunbroker by a wholesaler.
Latest story is to reorganize the company.
  
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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #9 - Nov 21st, 2017 at 10:53am
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Thought Jamison was purchased by Captech Intl.?
  

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Re: Starline versus Jamison Brass in 45-90
Reply #10 - Nov 21st, 2017 at 12:15pm
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marlinguy, They did, go to the Captec-Jamison web site and all pages of products are listed as "out of stock"
As I said above go to Gunbroker and search Jamison brass the dealer selling vast amounts must have bought the whole warehouse full.
  
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