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Oct 30th, 2017 at 6:59pm
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Hello again.
I have another item that I need help with. I have had this .25 caliber mold for years and I have always been impressed with the top notch work. This is a modified Ideal one piece mold. Who do you think made it??
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:41pm
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QB how is the round brass insert held in place in the blocks?

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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:46pm
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It looks to me, by the slotted screw in photos 1 and 3.
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:47pm
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Looks like work by Schoyen or Petersen. I have had a couple just like the one shown.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:50pm
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Schoyen used brass inserts, but, if memory serves me, those I have seen were square, rather than round.
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:52pm
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So much for the memory!!!
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 8:57pm
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The screw in one and three appear to be on the same side and I don't seem to see the likes of the same on the opposite side and why I asked? 

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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 9:02pm
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If memory serves me right I have seen similar by Pope in Ray Smiths story of Pope rifles minus the one screw.

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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 9:48pm
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I have a .33 mold with a brass insert by Schoyen.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 10:07pm
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Very interesting! This is a pic of a mold that I believe was made by Fielding B. Hall in Los Angeles sometime in the 1930's;
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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 10:51pm
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Nice one Bob. Here is my V Bessy mould. Bet I can cast a bunch with this baby as soon as I figure how to hold it!!
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 8:19am
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There is a slotted screw on each side of the mold to hold the inserts in. Look at the skill of the venting. Whoever made this was someone who has done a lot of them. John, I'll look in Ray Smiths book. Tom, are you saying that your Schoyen molds had round inserts instead of the dovetail ones that are usually seen? Thanks to everyone for their comments. Keep them coming.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 8:27am
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John, I looked at Ray Smith's Pope book. Now I'm thinking those cylindrical inserts and the way the screws hold in the inserts is a lot like the Pope Universal mold. Even the venting looks a lot like his work. Hmmm. Interesting.
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Reply #13 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 8:39am
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I don't think it was either Pope or Schoyen both would have made it so the blocks closed completely not just the insert. Also the insert is off center to miss the pin I don’t think that either smith would have done that as it allows the mold to heat and cool unevenly. 
I don’t know if the work is too old but Bud Welsh had the right combination of good / shoddy work to have turned this out. 

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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 8:49am
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John, The patina makes the mold look too old to be the work of Bud Welch and I don't think that the types of screws used to hold in the inserts were still in use in the 1970's. Also if you'll notice on Schoyen/Peterson molds, the mold halves of the original blocks don't come all the way together when the remodeled mold is all of the way closed. In other words the inserts stand "Proud" of the faces of the original mold.
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 1:20pm
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QB, That mold has a lot of merit and made by an excellent machinist. 
Boring for the brass insert with fixed handles is no small task.
He got the isnert as close to center as possible given the cutout next to the hinge.
The brass insert would be replacable for different size molds. Much easier than than new handles or making new mold blocks.
Mold cavity appears lathe turned with the nose the same diameter as the top of the grooves.
Don't know who did it but admire his work.
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Reply #16 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 1:56pm
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Chuck,
What makes you think that the cavity is lathe bored?

Most lathe bored molds have angular lube grooves. It's not impossible to make a radius lube groove with a boring bar but, much harder.

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Reply #17 - Nov 1st, 2017 at 8:55am
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i just marvel at this level of skilled work, surely done by a master machinist wearing a apron and smoking a pipe. and all the while using manual machines and working out of a gerstner tool box....man do i miss the era!
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 1st, 2017 at 11:07am
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frnkeore wrote on Oct 31st, 2017 at 1:56pm:
Chuck,
What makes you think that the cavity is lathe bored?

Most lathe bored molds have angular lube grooves. It's not impossible to make a radius lube groove with a boring bar but, much harder.

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Frank, Just guessing because the nose diameter appears to be the same diameter as the bottom of the grooves on the bullet and probably cut with a shaped "D" reamer.
If the bottom of the grooves on the bullet have a radius, then you are certainly correct.
Agree, .25 caliber is pretty small to lathe bore.
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