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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	a mold head scratcher Oct 30^th, 2017 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	Hello again. I have another item that I need help with. I have had this .25 caliber mold for years and I have always been impressed with the top notch work. This is a modified Ideal one piece mold. Who do you think made it??


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #1 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 8:41pm	Print Post
	QB how is the round brass insert held in place in the blocks? JLouis

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1945 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #2 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 8:46pm	Print Post
	It looks to me, by the slotted screw in photos 1 and 3.

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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 695 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #3 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 8:47pm	Print Post
	Looks like work by Schoyen or Petersen. I have had a couple just like the one shown.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1945 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #4 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	Schoyen used brass inserts, but, if memory serves me, those I have seen were square, rather than round.

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1945 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #5 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	So much for the memory!!!

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #6 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	The screw in one and three appear to be on the same side and I don't seem to see the likes of the same on the opposite side and why I asked? JLouis

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #7 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm	Print Post
	If memory serves me right I have seen similar by Pope in Ray Smiths story of Pope rifles minus the one screw. JLouis

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #8 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	I have a .33 mold with a brass insert by Schoyen.

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2057 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #9 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Very interesting! This is a pic of a mold that I believe was made by Fielding B. Hall in Los Angeles sometime in the 1930's;
	« Last Edit: Oct 31^st, 2017 at 12:10am by Schutzenbob »

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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 695 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #10 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	Nice one Bob. Here is my V Bessy mould. Bet I can cast a bunch with this baby as soon as I figure how to hold it!!


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #11 - Oct 31^st, 2017 at 8:19am	Print Post
	There is a slotted screw on each side of the mold to hold the inserts in. Look at the skill of the venting. Whoever made this was someone who has done a lot of them. John, I'll look in Ray Smiths book. Tom, are you saying that your Schoyen molds had round inserts instead of the dovetail ones that are usually seen? Thanks to everyone for their comments. Keep them coming.


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #12 - Oct 31^st, 2017 at 8:27am	Print Post
	John, I looked at Ray Smith's Pope book. Now I'm thinking those cylindrical inserts and the way the screws hold in the inserts is a lot like the Pope Universal mold. Even the venting looks a lot like his work. Hmmm. Interesting.
	« Last Edit: Oct 31^st, 2017 at 8:41am by Quarter_Bore »

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #13 - Oct 31^st, 2017 at 8:39am	Print Post
	I don't think it was either Pope or Schoyen both would have made it so the blocks closed completely not just the insert. Also the insert is off center to miss the pin I don’t think that either smith would have done that as it allows the mold to heat and cool unevenly. I don’t know if the work is too old but Bud Welsh had the right combination of good / shoddy work to have turned this out. 40 Rod


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: a mold head scratcher Reply #14 - Oct 31^st, 2017 at 8:49am	Print Post
	John, The patina makes the mold look too old to be the work of Bud Welch and I don't think that the types of screws used to hold in the inserts were still in use in the 1970's. Also if you'll notice on Schoyen/Peterson molds, the mold halves of the original blocks don't come all the way together when the remodeled mold is all of the way closed. In other words the inserts stand "Proud" of the faces of the original mold.


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