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Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:54am
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Ordered today for the C Sharps that should arrive real soon (I hope). 

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Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:52am
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Like any particular mold, may or may not work well in your rifle for your intended purpose. Regardless, will give you a start in casting & reloading if you are new to the game. Most of us have several molds in any given caliber as we continue to seek bullet/load nirvana. Good luck with all.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 8:04am
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As a rule Accurates turn around time is pretty quick.They do make very nice molds.  When you get it, if you ordered the aluminum mold blocks, give is a nice bath, dry it well and then use a butane lighter or one of the ones for lighting a gas grill and give the inside a good coat of carbon and that mold will quickly start to cast good bullest. Yea it makes that nice shiny mold look kind of nasty but I have yet to have an aluminum mold cast well without  that coat of carbon on the inside.
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Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:15am
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this may work fine with smokeless powder, but the grease grooves may not carry enough lube for an accurate string of shots with blackpowder. acquiring several mold styles is part of the game.
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Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:23pm
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Red Cent - you may want to consider this Accurate mold also ...
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It is the clone of the Ideal 375166 bullet, that in a 1:18 twist calculates to 17.65 for the Greenhill black powder rating.
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Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:39pm
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Possibly, you could ask C Sharps what their barrel groove diameter is, and ask them what bullet base diameter they might recommend. If it's a little different than the Accurate Molds specs, maybe there's enough time to ask them to change a bullet diameter before the mold comes up in their schedule for machining. Just a thought, sorry if it's all been figured out already.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:08pm
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The bullet needs to be the right length to obtain the best spin of the bullet. 
The gyroscopic stability (Sg) is dependent mainly on bullet length and barrel twist. The accurate bullet you specified is: 

Caliber      0.378      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.16      Inches            
Barrel Twist      20      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      1.44                  

Caliber      0.378      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.16      Inches            
Barrel Twist      18      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      1.78      
           
Caliber      0.378      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.16      Inches            
Barrel Twist      16      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      2.26                  
           
                       
Sg shouldn't be less than 1.4. Not enough spin and the bullet will tumble. Using a shorter bullet will increase the Sg.

If Sg is greater than about 2.0 you are overspinning the bullet; you may gain some accuracy by going to a slower twist barrel or using a longer bullet.

So you need to confirm the twist of your barrel and the groove-to-groove diameter.            

The bullet base band has to be at least the same diameter as the groove-to groove diameter of your barrel.
However you can easily use bullets where the base band is .001" to .002" wider than the groove-to-groove diameter.

I always use molds .002" wider to obtain a tight fit since it helps prevent gas cutting around the edge of the bullet.            
You have ordered a tapered bullet which is great for barrels with no/or little chamber leade.

However if you have a long and/or wider chamber leade then a straight bullet with equal driving bands may be more suitable to prevent bullet runout before it goes down the tube.
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Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:38pm
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In my .38 caliber Atkinson & Marquette barrel I use a 310 grain Boomer Money bullet.

Caliber      0.378      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.179      Inches            
Barrel Twist      18      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      1.70                  


Since it has a more tapered nose; it is longer but yet still the same weight, as the bullet you ordered from Accurate molds.

Because of the longer bullet length; it has a slightly lower Sg for the 18:1 twist barrel, than the flat nose bullet you ordered.
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Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:36pm
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C Sharps Hi Wall w single set trigger and PG stock. Custom bedding.
Green Mountain barrel 30" full octagon #4
14:1 twist
groove .376
Monatana Vintage Arms  Winchester “B” Series Scope with No.2 Mount
If this is redundant, bear with me. The chamber specs match this:



  

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Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 10:38pm
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With a 14:1 twist and a .375 groove-to-groove barrel (as specified in diagram) the accurate bullet mold you ordered:

Caliber      0.375      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.16      Inches            
Barrel Twist      14      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      2.91                  

Therefore the bullet will be spinning too fast and will most likely affect accuracy.

Also the base band of the bullet you ordered is .379 or .004" wider than your groove-to-groove diameter.
Therefore this bullet will mostly likely cause considerable leading of your barrel.

General rule of thumb is to never use bullets with the driving band being more than .002" wider than the groove-to-groove diameter.

People with a 14:1 twist have a better gyroscopic stability using 360 grain bullets in their 38 calibers.

With a 2 or 3 degree angle throat I prefer to use bullets with a straight shank (same diameter for all the bands).

With a 1/2 degree throat I believe the tapered bullets are a better fit.
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Reply #10 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:23am
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In my experience, overspinning the bullet definitely is the lesser of evils, if an evil at all:  I've gotten stellar accuracy with bullets sopposedly  too short for the ROT of rifles.
Meaning I'll prefer anytime to have a twist that's a bit faster over a slower one - the alternative is a bullet that's unstable, which definitely is MUCH worse...  And it also will limit usable  bullet selction, whereas a faster twist  doesn't.
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Reply #11 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:02am
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There are ballistic solutions to determine the right length bullet for the specific twist of your barrel.

Or you can use the tried and true method of buying lots of molds until you find the one that shoots the best groups after extensive time effort and money trying to find an appropriate load for that bullet.

And then query the experienced why your bullet keeps key holing.

But the good side is you can always sell your mold to some other fool to try.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:57pm
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I'm with Joe and MB on this one. While the rifle was obviously set up to shoot heavier bullets in the 38-55 for BPCR, it should do just fine with the somewhat lighter one. My 16 twist 40-65 shoots 400 grainers for BPCR and 285 grainers for 200 meters with no complaints while my 18 twist 40-60 Maynard did not like the 400s (as might be expected) but thrives on 370s.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:56pm
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Most things here are set and not changeable. There may be a chance to change a diameter or two of the bullet that the new mold will drop. It might be worth considering, but there may not be much time to do so.
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Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 3:24pm
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The bullet can be ran through a .377 sizer. I could have Tom reduce the base but I will try the bullet in my Marlin 336. .379 groove but that heavy bullet should bump up fine with BP. Who knows. John Boy uses an awfully heavy bullet in a 1:18 twist with success. 
And I do plan to get another mold. Or three. Maybe this one increasing the driving bands to .377.
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John Boy, will keep that one in mind.
  

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