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Reply #15 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:41pm
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Red Cent please notice that John Boy's bullets are wobbling and don't go straight through the target. I tried that bullet in my 18 twist Uberti and my 10 shot (not 3!) groups convinced me to sell the mold.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 9:35am
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Weather can also affect the gyroscopic stability of your accurate bullet in your 14 twist barrel.
The previous projection where your gyroscopic stability factor was 2.91 was with normal weather conditions.

Caliber      0.375      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.16      Inches            
Barrel Twist      14      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      100      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      3.19            

Caliber      0.375      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.16      Inches            
Barrel Twist      14      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      28      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      3.11                  

Caliber      0.375      Inches            
Bullet Weight      310      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.16      Inches            
Barrel Twist      14      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      100      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      28      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      3.41                  


So the bullet spins even faster under higher temperatures and lower pressure systems. 
Sometimes a person overspins a bullet and still gets fair accuracy under low temperatures and high pressure systems. 

But the bullets may key hole when the weather changes.      
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:57am
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That'll be the 1st time that overspinning a bullet will cause it to keyhole....  You might spin it so fast it will disintegrate, but overspinning causing keyholing, that's a new one.  Artillery had issues with overspinning an long ranges, but here we're talking some pretty serious overspin and not keyholing, but the  shell staying 'nose up' even when going down towards its target.  Nothing like keyholing though.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 1:20pm
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But Joe It is all dependent on the rifle twist and bullet length.

Do you have a 14:1 twist .38 caliber barrel? And the length of the bullet was?

The temperature and atmospheric pressure when you shot it?

People saying any barrel twist will shoot any bullet have not shot many different bullets or different rifle twists under a variety of weather conditions. 
Ballistics programs provide some answers to prevent you going too far astray. 

It requires more information than just a target Joe to verify your point.

I like to pass on the scientific way of making an assessment as opposed to the seat of the pants approach others are recommending.

To duplicate your success Joe works good if I have the same rifle and bullet and shoot in the same weather conditions.
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Reply #19 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 1:57pm
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MartiniBelgian:

You get some extra lift due to the faster spinning bullet and the stronger gyroscopic force holding it in 'nose high' attitude toward the end of its trajectory. 

The bullet entering a target in a nose high position shows a keyhole type entrance mark.

My definition of keyholing is a bullet entering the target somewhat off center which does occur with overspun bullets.

Are you assuming keyholing is a bullet going in sideways?
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Reply #20 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 2:45pm
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Joe you still have not said what twist and bullet length and bullet speed you were using.

If you were using a 20:1 or 18:1 barrel it does not relate to the fellow with a query with a 14:1 twist.

I am not posting pictures of tight groups from my .38 since it is a 18:1 twist and the rate of spin is entirely different than the 14:1 twist posted in this query.
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Reply #21 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:45pm
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Cmon Joe:

You know which rifle you used and how to measure the length of your bullet and how to check the twist of your rifle.

Or I can have a Spokane Preacher (Also a Previous Gun Store Owner) verify it when you bring it to the next shoot there. 
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 5:18pm
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My 25 RKS:

Caliber      0.258      Inches            
Bullet Weight      122      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.052      Inches            
Barrel Twist      9      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1600      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      1.99                  


Your 25:


Caliber      0.258      Inches            
Bullet Weight      108      Grains            
Bullet Length      0.93      Inches            
Barrel Twist      10      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1600      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      2.03                  


Yes the Bullet length is good for your twist. Just on the borderline for overspinning.

Check your velocities with a chronograph since everyone is getting tight groups with their quarterbores when they bump the velocities up to 1,600 fps.

And do you have a breech seater that centers the bullet without any runout. 
Remember the problem I had with my Miller until I switched to a Weber seater.

I projected your bullet weight; but if it is actually 120 grains:

Caliber      0.258      Inches            
Bullet Weight      120      Grains            
Bullet Length      0.93      Inches            
Barrel Twist      10      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1600      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      2.26                  

It is into the overspin range.
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Reply #23 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 5:29pm
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Maybe one of those new 17.2:1 22LR RKS gain twist barrels with open throat would be better on the Ballard?
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 6:13pm
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westerner wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
It's not rocket science for me.  I use what works.  All that brainy stuff gives me a headache.  Reading a inch thick book on Montana geology now. Averaging about five pages and three ESE tablets a day. 
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Reply #25 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 12:26am
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Reply #26 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:41am
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Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
MartiniBelgian:

You get some extra lift due to the faster spinning bullet and the stronger gyroscopic force holding it in 'nose high' attitude toward the end of its trajectory. 

The bullet entering a target in a nose high position shows a keyhole type entrance mark.

My definition of keyholing is a bullet entering the target somewhat off center which does occur with overspun bullets.

Are you assuming keyholing is a bullet going in sideways?


In order to really see any of that, you're talking really long ranges where the bullet arrives at a pretty steep angle on order for it to be visible ) and there's another distinction too - the bullet is still stable, and can be very accurate indeed.  It will just make a sslightly different bullet hole.  But we're really talking massive overspin here.
  
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Reply #27 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:22pm
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Still have not received the rifle. Maybe Christmas?
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