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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #30 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 9:21am	Print Post
	How long into the smokeless era did Pope continue to make the ML/BL loading rifles? It seems like we think of it as pre-engraving the bullet for a perfect fit. but breech seating the bullet into the lands as we do accomplishes the same thing. I've always wondered if the barrel fouling issue with BP and early semi-smokeless was the reason for the ML/BL system. Once the heavy shot to shot BP fouling was obviated by the development of true smokeless powders was the system phased out?

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #31 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 9:41am	Print Post
	Wayne, the Pope ML/BS rifles went to a least #1740, I suspect to the very end around 2000. The ML became unpopular very quickly with the coming of better smokeless powders. Ledball


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #32 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 9:51am	Print Post
	My Stevens-Pope 44/ 1/2 has a retractable firing pin, I’ve never seen or heard of this type of firing pin, it appears to be original. Anyone know about this type of firing pin, it operates by a cam under the firing pin. Ledball


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #33 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 12:35pm	Print Post
	Ledball is that the same rifle Charlie Dell picked up and if so he said it was the first of it's kind he had ever seen and if not it is only the second one that I have heard of being around. JLouis

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #34 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	Yes, it’s the same rifle, I have not seen, heard, or read about another 44/ 1/2 Stevens rifle with a retractable firing pin. Ledball


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kootne Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 441 Location: Libby, Mt. Joined: Mar 6^th, 2012	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #35 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	ledball, In Roberts book, "The Breech-Loading Single Shot Rifle" pgs 80-81 Ned references having several and specifically a Stevens-Pope 44-1/2 .28-30 reworked by Albert Loetscher of Sibley, Ia. to have mechanically retracted firing pins installed. Maybe you rifle is one of those. Just guessin' Dennis

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #36 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:14pm	Print Post
	Thanks, I’ll get the Roberts book out and read that chapter. Ledball


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #37 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:27pm	Print Post
	Roberts said he had been told that all the very last 44/ 1/2 actions were made with this retractable firing pin, if so where are they. Ledball


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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Online Posts: 358 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #38 - Mar 2^nd, 2018 at 7:11am	Print Post
	I once owned a 25-20 standard range model 44 1/2 that had a retractable firing pin. I believe it to have been factory made. It is only one I have seen. I don't remember serial #. I think it was the first single shot that I ever bought.


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #39 - Mar 2^nd, 2018 at 10:06am	Print Post
	I suppose it’s possible to own one of these rifles for years and not know it had a retractable firing pin. Ledball


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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #40 - May 27^th, 2018 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	I was at Charlie Dell's match the year he broke that rifle out. It was in really nice shape. Showed a little usage damage, nothing bad mind you. But it's firing pin was broken. Had a really nice bore though. Charlie was I believe passing it on to one of the shooters there. Froggie might remember who got it. HTH Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK.


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1467 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Pope False Muzzle. Reply #41 - May 28^th, 2018 at 10:27am	Print Post
	I have a #47 with the firing pin retractor in the breechblock. Not a common feature at all. I would have thought the Company would have patented this device, but I’ve never been able to find it in Google Patents.


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