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Re: 38-55 WCF Reloading question
Reply #15 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 5:30am
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Marlene wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
the traditional 250/260 grain weight bullet over 22 grains of H4198 does an excellent job for me. no filler. tiny groups.

I also load the Lyman Postell bullet (330 grains?) over about 18 grains of the same powder with very good results.

Lots of folks prefer 4227 for this cartridge (I don't know how much with what bullet off the top of my head). 4198 does better for me. try both.


Marlene, are those IMR, or hodgdon powders you listed.
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Reply #16 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 8:05am
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I also have a 15" twist barrel on my 38-55. I have shot a 330 gr postel bullet in it and it does very well. I have tried the 310gr tapered bullet made by Hoch and I was surprised at it. Now keep in mind I have only used Black Powder and the load for the tapered bullet was just a case full of powder and a wad and bullet. It shot well enough from the start to stay on a pig swinger at 300m 10 out of 10. That is a target that is 2 min high and 4 wide. I do have a lyman mold for the 255gr bullet but haven't shot any of those yet but I feel that most likely they will shoot well also.
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Re: 38-55 WCF Reloading question
Reply #17 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 8:52am
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1coolcat wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 4:11am:
Haha..no problem..I did some reading and now I understand why it is called the 38-55 Ballard.  That is the original name of the cartridge, it became the 38-55 WCF once winchester standardized the cartridge and add the WCF to it..correct ?


Kinda, but not. It was indeed introduced by Marlin in their Ballard rifles. But as with some other cartridges Winchester was prone to steal, they simply offered the round in their brand of ammo and added WCF or Winchester after the .38-55. 
In early manufacture by Winchester or other cartridge companies the designation on the box was indeed .38-55 Ballard. But later it became just .38-55-255, and under that it was marked "For Ballard, and Winchester Rifles". Eventually Winchester simply added their name after the designation.
At the point that Winchester brought out the .375 Winchester, it had a shorter case length, and was loaded with a slightly smaller diameter bullet. Winchester at that time decided that making two different length cases for the old .38-55 Ballard and the .375 Win. was not as financially efficient, so they simply dropped the correct longer case, and offered .38-55 and .375 Win. ammo in the same length case.
Not sure when others began to add WCF or Win. after .38-55, but it seems that it went beyond the ammo at some point and began to also be marked on all sorts of gun related equipment and guns.
  

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Re: 38-55 WCF Reloading question
Reply #18 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 5:13pm
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1coolcat wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 5:30am:


Marlene, are those IMR, or hodgdon powders you listed.
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I'm using Hodgdon 4198, but have used both with the same loads. A tad more velocity with the IMR, but better accuracy with the Hodgdon. Loads are light, so no worries about danger of a straight swap between similar (but not identical) powders.

My understanding is that H or IMR 4227 is the exact same powder as of several years ago.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:32am
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So what is a Ballard rifle? How does it different from any other rifle..is the chamber cut differently, different rifling? Is Ballard n old brand name for black powder only? I've done a Google search and I'm seeing info on an old company but don't see what the difference is between ballard and modern rifles ..am I getting in to deep here.. haha kind of off the subject..but just trying to learn new stuff..
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Re: 38-55 WCF Reloading question
Reply #20 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:45am
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I can add one thing  no matter what you call it you have a great cartridge, and one of my favorite. I took a little white tail with a marlin lever action lyman 264 gr. gas check bullet 25 gr. rl7 powder 1640 fps over my chrono. ( I know not a single shot but I only put one cartridge into the rifle so I hope I can mention it here. keep it simple load some up and go shoot. joe
  

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Re: 38-55 WCF Reloading question
Reply #21 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:00am
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1coolcat wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:32am:
So what is a Ballard rifle? How does it different from any other rifle..is the chamber cut differently, different rifling? Is Ballard n old brand name for black powder only? I've done a Google search and I'm seeing info on an old company but don't see what the difference is between ballard and modern rifles ..am I getting in to deep here.. haha kind of off the subject..but just trying to learn new stuff..
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Ballard is a single shot action, made civil war to about 1885.  Highly desirable for target shooting but not very strong.  Double charge in 32-40 will break something  Cry
  

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Re: 38-55 WCF Reloading question
Reply #22 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 12:33pm
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Ok guys I need load data for 38-55 WCF 320 gr. Lead cast bullet from Buffalo Arms Co. 
1200 fps, smokeless powder..all I could find was load data from a Lyman load manual for 335 gr bullets
  
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Re: 38-55 WCF Reloading question
Reply #23 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:06pm
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Use the LYman 335 gr load data for your 320 to start with.
then go from there depending on pressure signs, and accuracy
to guide you.
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